Saturday, December 27, 2008

Updates and Thank You's

To everyone who has read my blog and is helping my family out, THANK YOU. May God bless you.

Here are links to some sites that have covered the story.

GMA News

Abante-Tonite

Watch the news, GMA, ABS-CBN and other stations for updates.

Now, I truly believe that there is still hope for this country. I am really overwhelmed at how people have commented and how people want to help. Please continue to do so. And PLEASE, PLEASE, continue to pray. And once again, THANK YOU.

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Boyd said...

Oi ano bayan. Mey bata pala 8 yrs old nandu-on. Pagtutuo yan you guys are dead meat. Saka mey Bruce pang dumating, tung nong nong. Kahit mga dela Paz's pa ang may ari sa golf course, pag proven na mey 8 yr old kid doon, tapos na ang kaso na yan...

glen gaw said...

Bambee be strong. Just remember that what goes around must come around. Those pea-brains will get their just dessserts. Be patient.

karma said...

These politicians don't deserve to be in power. They are the type of people that destroys the country. Hell they don't deserve to be alive. This calls for vigilante justice as the laws only protect the politicians and not the population. Justice will be served.

Uisce said...

i saw this on the internet. protest art at gusto ko lang ibahagi ito.

http://images.plurk.com/3287747_edb17342b63486a43bac34da07a77de0.jpg

i pray that you and your family will surpass this ordeal.

Edward said...

Yes! stand up for what is right and be a role model of our youth. Be strong and prove them that their might will never stop you from revealing their true colors. The family of thugs has no place in our society much more to the government of our country.

ronaldfronda,md said...

High ranking government officials ( DAR secretary and a mayor ) bodyguards beat up a civilian and a 14 year old boy, this is disgusting! Whoever instigated the yelling and name calling is not important, words don't cause physical harm, the dogs who threw punches and the person who holds the lease should be accountable and should be punished. This is in line with Filipinos attitude when they are in power, they expect everybody else to wait in line for them and that they can get away with anything. They don't even know how to apologize, SHAMELESS. Bambi set up an account be happy to contribute to fund your fight

Pinoy Idol said...

12 Things that the Valley Golf mauling effectively proved
Kurot Sa Puso
30 December 2008
Dennis Garcia of "Hotdog" shares…

12 Things that the Valley Golf mauling effectively proved

12. The pen is mightier than the biggest PR or crisis management budget (Tons of cash cannot buy minds with unwavering conviction – for further validation, go ask several Senatorial bets who spent a fortune in 2007… for nought)

11. The noisiest screw gets oiled first

10. Most of our politicians – from the most lowly to the most high – are guilty of hubris

Hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance; it is often
associated with a lack of humility, not always with the lack of
knowledge. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering
or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of
hubris and nemesis in the Greek world. The proverb "pride goes
before a fall" is thought to sum up the modern definition of hubris.

9. Filipino government officials – even when caught red-handed doing 'bad' things – never resign… because, they serve "at the pleasure of the President"

8. It pays to have writing skills when you're up against abusive, ill-educated powerful people

7. At least, for a while, we may hear less and less of this line: "baka hindi mo kilala me…"

6. Golfers should make a canister of mace and a baseball bat standard golf accessories

5. People who work in golf courses do not see or hear very well

4. Being seen playing golf with the First Son, after a barrage of negative press, is not a very smart move

3. Filipinos will never be docile again because of the internet

2. Technology can be put to good use – especially when exposing misdeeds and scandalous conduct

1. The Pangandamans are in deep shit


Visit www.PerryScope.org for more news, updates and to comment.

Ramon said...

Its about time our country should punish those who abuse their power. If the bodyguards didnt help maybe it would have been a good fight. Chicken kasi!! Bading! kasama kayong mga bodyguard.D2 kayo sa lugar namin para malaman nyo talaga ano ibig sabihin ng gulpi!

Ramon said...

How the hell do people like that become Mayors or Cabinet members. Bring in the ABB lets show them who the boss!!

Bambee keep prayinig all things will come to well.

ronaldfronda,md said...

Just posted your blog in the Propeller, now the world will hear your story.

tem said...

Bambee I am proud of you being the daughter trying your best to protect your family and fighting for your rights.

But maybe your father deserve to be beaten up baka mayabang din ang tatay mo at nakahanap ng katapat. At ang mga Pangandaman din ay mayabang at nakahanap din ng katapat. They deserve each other

This incident is a lesson. let us be low keyed whoever we are.

drefaura said...

Pauly and Tem, tama kayo dyan.
I heard from beginning to end the first time bambee's dad called on radio station DZRH (Mr. Andy Vital was the announcer on board at the time) and I sensed an air of arrogance on your dad, like the pangandaman's and other politicos and filthy rich personages in the philippines. I personally experienced put downs from these people when I visited the philippines.

there's an english saying that goes: "be careful of the toes you're stepping on, it might be the ass you'll be kissing later on."

sayang ang pag unawa ng mga bloggers at iba pa kung mahahantong sa out-of-court settlement ito. kawawa si bino na minolestya at binugbog na ang buhay ay forever scarred kung hindi sya mabibigyan ng hustisya kung ang pulis at DSWD (na syang dapat maglatag ng kaso sa korte, independent of the dela Paz's, bino being a minor).
kawawa si bino kung mayroon syang internal injuries na hindi pa apparent right now, but will manifest later on in his life - God forbid, huwag naman sana.

at kung mahahantong sa settlement, sana hindi na nagfreak out ang mga bloggers kung sinarili ng pamilyang dela paz at pangandaman ang usaping ito dahil sa ang kinahantungan lamang ay domestic dispute o usapang pamilya lamang.

sana ang tatay mo bambee ay nakakuha ng lesson about arrogance din at hindi padalus dalos.... porke malapit lang ang bahay nyo sa golf course at makakakuha agad agad ng ayuda sa kasambahay at mga kabaranggay... lahat ng bagay ay may katapat, wika nga....

mapster said...

Never give up, never back down from them. You got all of us behind you and backing you up. God bless you and your family.

One Tough Cookie said...

you might want to read this blog kasi nag comment sya sa mga sinabi mo na interview ka sa tv:

http://theluckybiatch.blogspot.com/2009/01/battle-of-rich-famous-and-powerful.html

Manyak said...

TELL THE TRUTH BAMBEE...IT WILL SET YOU FREE!

"I just spent some time with the head of the fact-finding committee. He has submitted all pertinent facts to the board and leaves it to them to make the necessary decision based on all the facts. I will outline the facts to you as it was outlined to me. Rest assured that the facts were obtained from all parties involved and all witnesses at each incident site. The statements were obtained both by the valley fact-finding group and by the NBI as well. Testimonies were recorded, verified, and re-verified. Fortunately for the parties involved, there were always witnesses to give supporting statements on the events as they occurred.

I will compose the outline shortly as it will be lengthy but just to whet your appetite or get you thinking, you will be quite surprised with the findings. Let's put it this way, the people we thought of as villains weren't quite what they were depicted to be. and the supposed protagonists may have yet been quite as factual in their testimony as it turns out to be. Even our 14-year old isn't as innocent and "prayerful" when all the details come out. just give me a few minutes....

In the interest of making sure that no facts might be left undisclosed, I will take it upon myself to start from the very beginning. Firstly let us start by saying that on or at about 12:40 p.m., the party of the Pangandaman's registered at the starter's area. They registered for 2 flights comprised of 4 individuals per flight. Unfortunately, they still had 2 members of their group that had not yet arrived, so they initially tee'd off as 2 successive threesomes. The starter and marshall were informed that the 2 individuals that had not yet arrived would just catch up with them in the fairway. On or at about 1:05 p.m. the Dela Paz group registered initially as a twosome but since this isn't normally allowed, they registered as a 3-some even if the elder Mr. Dela Paz was not really going to play.

When the Dela Paz 3-some was playing on hole number 3, they were passed by 2 golf carts containing Mayor Pangandaman and his companion (in one cart) and the caddies being brought by one of the starter personnell. The Pangandaman's did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz's who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes. At this point, Mr. Dela Paz said "ah okay, courtesy lang naman". This was verified by the caddies. Mr. Pangandaman said that he did not disturb them anymore because the player was about to hit. At this point, Mayor Pangandaman thought everything was okay so he proceeded to the 4th hole (Par 3) where his other flightmates were. In the records it says that Mr. Pangandaman was not yet even done pitching into the green when a ball landed near his 8-year old child so they immediately made sure the child was secured in the cart. ( For those unaware of the common practice at Valley Golf, on every par 3, the group behind you is signaled to hit into the green once everyone from your group is already on the green) Until you have been cleared to hit by the group ahead, you should not hit into the green. It is common sense and basic precautionary procedure.

In this particular case, we have no corroborative testimony. One set of caddies say they were given clearance, while the other say that no clearance was given as of yet when the ball/s had landed.

The Pangandaman's claim that the same situation happened in the 5th hole (Par5). Even the caddied confirmed this. At this time, Bambee Dela Paz had called the Marshall to tell him that the flight behind them was complaining about why their pace was slow and that the cause of the delay was the 5-some in front of them. Shortly thereafter, a marshall on his motorcycle appeared and approached the Pangandaman's and asked if they were playing as a fivesome to which the Mayor said no. "We are 2 foursomes". Nonetheless, the Pangandaman's had already agreed among themselves that they would rather the Dela Paz's play through. The Mayor was even quoted saying to his Father. " magagaling yung mga bata at malakas pumalo, baka mabagalan sa atin" They informed the marshall that they would just let the Dela Paz group play through and the marshall informed the Mr. Dela Paz of this. ( Just as an aside, the investigative group actually asked the group behind Dela paz if indeed they had complained about the slow down and the group said that the y said no such thing to the Dela paz flight. They were not even in contact at anytime before they arrived at the tee house to see the fight and eventually help stop it) When the Delapaz group reached the green of hole 5, the caddies of the 2 kids gave them their drivers so that they would waste no time playing through. The Mayor, who at that time was sitting along with their companions, stood up to personally tell Mr. Dela Paz to play through. Caddies, and the tee house server claim that the Mayor told Dela Paz na "Mauna na ho kayo" and walked to approach Dela Paz, The response of Dela Paz was "Huwag mo akong pagtaasan ng boses" Dela Paz began to question the Mayor why they were playing as a fivesome. The Mayor said that this was not the case but Dela Paz was insisting and even said (again corroborated by the caddies) "Linoloko mo ba ako?" "Member ka ba dito, Kilala mo ba ako?" (as you can see, this question did not come from Pangandaman. In fact, in the recorded testimony, this is exactly what Pangandaman claimed delapaz had said to him and yet in Delapaz' recorded statement, he never said that the mayor asked him " kilala mo ba ako" Completely different from when the media was already involved.

When Delapaz was posing the above question, the mayor was heard to say. "Sandali lang, hindi naman tayo nagaaway dito. Akala ko ba naayos na natin yung issue kanina sa hole 3? At about this point Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking. The other parties were in the tee house about 15-20 yards away. The Mayor says he was poked and so he backed off and just as he was about to be poked again, his brother, Hussein ran and attacked Delapaz and hit Delapaz knocking him to the ground.( At this point the commotion took place. One of the things observed is 14-year old Bino hit the Mayor with his driver. Apparently, the mayor parried with his forearm and hand so this is where he sustaned the injury. In the process also, Hussein was being pulled off the older dela paz by his 2 children but again Bino was seen to hit Hussein in the face and head while Bambee had scratched the other side of Husseins face. At this time also, witnesses say, that 3 or 4 other members of the flight excluding the Secretary, the 8-year old boy, and the girlfriend of Hussein were involved in attacking or subduing the older dela paz but this lasted very shortly and when the combatants had been separated the existing people in the tee house as well as the new flight that was playing behind the dela paz's.

At this point the Secretary told the delapaz group to leave so as to avoid any more trouble. As the elder delapaz was leaving he was heard calling someone on his cellphone saying " may away kami, pumunta kayo dito"
No one knew who delapaz was speaking to as he walked away towards the main clubhouse. A few minutes later, the secretary and his group decided to end the day instead of continuing to play. When they got to the clubhouse, Hussein wanted to wash up because he was bleeding in the neck area. As he got near the reception area, he saw delapaz and was heard to have said "O, nandito pa pala kayo" to which Dela Paz said "Hindi pa tapos ito gaganti pa kami". At this point, Bino got in between his Dad and Hussein while saying " Tatandaan ka namin" (None of the witnesses in the clubhouse, and there were many, ever saw Bino kneel and say that he was only 14 years old at maawa na sila) On the contrary, Bino was acting like anything but a helpless child. He sounded tough, angry, and antagonistic enough that the fight broke out again. At this point, the bodyguards of the Mayor ran into the clubhouse via the poolside entrance. When questioned about this, the mayor said that one was his driver and the other was his "Yayo". As far as the board was concerned, the "Yayo" was also a bodyguard. Said Yayo came into the clubhouse with a clutchbag containing a gun and brought out the gun without pointing it at anyone. The Mayor immediately instructed him that there was no need for guns and the gun was put back. During the investigation, the Mayor said that the handgun was his and that his "yayo" was likely going to give it to him but he declined. Upon instructing his "yayo", the man just stayed in one corner. At this time the wife of Dela Paz and his other son arrived. The son was wielding a baseball bat and the wife had a knife which she pulled out of a scabbard. These two were subdued by security but they were verbally threatening the Pangandaman's during this time. There was also a reported incident where the driver of the mayor ran out and came back with a suitcase containing a supposed armalite as claimed by valley security. The driver never pulled it out or pointed it at anyone but it was readily accesible"

misboys said...
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misboys said...

“Truth is (always) on the side of the oppressed” Malcolm X 1925-1965

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aion_z said...

Saw this comment somewhere. Pretty much how I feel. I need to add however that I hope you get the justice you deserve. Give 'em hell!

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The Filipino public are either just really nice people offering the proverbial 'other cheek' or yellow bellied, pieces of chicken s#it. Afraid of the morons they elected into office. If you ask me, Filipinos deserve their leaders and those leaders suck. These politicians (and their equally corrupt kin deserve to be stoned in public for the gall they display. Kitang-kita na nangungurakot sila (hello!! Look at their expensive cars, houses and what have you.) at ipinamudmudmod pa sa mga mukha ng Pinoy na pinayayaman ninyo pa lalo silang lahat! You want change? Oust them all! The government should be afraid of its people.. Not the other way around. I empathize with Bambi's statement in her blog. That lawyer Fortun said it.. Its obvious who the aggressive party is. The officials at Valley Golf are cowards. It should be boycotted. As for the politician.. He's not even from around here and he's pushing his weight around. Calling him and his ilk dense is the understatement of the decade. They WILL rot in hell. People like them anyway, even thought it will take years to burn through their thick hides.
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EQ said...

First they came for Jonas Burgos, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an activist.

Then they came to handcuff and detain journalists in Peninsula upon the orders of the Interior Secretary, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a journalist.

Then they came to pick up Jun Lozada from the airport for a long, long ride, and I didn’t speak up because I was “apathetic”.

Then they came to push for Con-Ass to prolong the Malacanang tenant’s stay beyond 2010, and I didn’t speak up because I was “apolitical”.

Then they came to bully a 14-year old boy and his dad in the golf course and I didn’t speak up because…… I wasn’t an “elistista”!

Then they came for me……. and by that time no one was left to speak up.

interminable said...

We're praying for you, Bambee, and your father and brother. This only shows what the Internet and a talented writer can do in dark times. Be careful too.

Joel said...

People like the Pangandamans sickens me!

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/01/03/09/dar-chief-dela-pazes-had-baseball-bats-and-bladed-weapons

He appealed to bloggers to stop accusing them on the Web. The secretary even warned bloggers against karma.

Sorry but there in no source code to execute KARMA in the digital world Mr. Pangandamans!

Be strong Bambee! I will circulate your blog and let the world know how your family was treated with violence by power tripping policticians in the Philippines.

VF said...

Given all the imperfections of the human race, there are only two kinds of people: 'The Good and the Bad'.

And the Holy Scriptures (the Bible or the Koran or any religious belief) say: "And the good shall reap the blessings of Heaven.”

– but then, how do we define goodness? If we are to assume that the cabinet members of the present administration can beat other people in order to be good, then we should also start beating other people –to be considered good.

For ‘delicadeza’ , the president should immediately fire erring cabinet members without the benefit of a judicial circus. The very idea of hearing government officials acting like gangsters belies the image of a much mediatised church going president.

–but then, we are all a bunch of ignorant people to be fooled by ignorant politicians. I hope that this frenzy of protests won’t die down quietly the way NBN-ZTE, Hello Garci, Fertilizer and other scams evaporated to heaven.

Tell me, who is now reaping the blessings from heaven? Where is now the CBCP who is good in putting people into power by way of the Cross?

Maybe they also get a share of the blessings. And we only get but morsels.

God Bless the Philippines.

God Bless you and your family Bambee. Please stay safe.

NOTE: This has no political motivation. It’s just a simple analysis.

gooneybud said...

wow! now it becomes convenient for the DAR Chief to ask : "leave it to the law" see his comments http://services.inquirer.net/mobile/09/01/03/html_output/xmlhtml/20090102-181064-xml.html

and i cant believe the gall : his family had hied off for a “much-needed break.” haha,dude the filipino tax payers need to get a break from the likes of you! take a hike and pack you and your detestable family to some remote corner of the country where you can't burden others with your lack of civilities and gun-toting goons. don't leave the country though, you might further embarrass yourself and the country with the aforementioned.

where did you learn golf anyway? because someone forgot to include the etiquette part of the lesson. get a refund.

On "We didn’t go to the golf club to pick a fight." >> yeah, they just couldn't resist the opportunity when it came up though.

With the likes of you on the peace panel no wonder mindanao is still in conflict.

We have, I fear, confused power with greatness.Stewart L. Udall, commencement address, Dartmouth College, June 13, 1965

LEE said...

the evil spin doctors are at work again!

very well written at that....oh well, thats what they are paid to do.

using an 8-yr old kid? what will they think of next?

Jan Errol said...

The Truth shall set u guys free..

merko said...

NO DOUBT ! NO dounts on how the Pangandamans and their gooks behaved in the golf course. Yang mga MOROS na mga iyan, wala naman kasi ganyan sa MARAWI and MASIU, Lanao Sur. These people don't follow any rule and tenets where ever they are. IM from MIndanao, one good reason why the Christians don't want to mix with the MOROS is that they are UNRULY. They don't even follow simple procedures like, falling in line and wait for their turn. Ano nga ba ang policy ng golf course regarding possession of guns and verifying its members? Pano nga ba nakapasok ang mga gooks sa course? Ano ang role ng nga Marshalls? These people should be BANNED in the golf course for sure. The Panagandaman Sr.(DAR chief, who's agency that got involved in multi-million scam with Joc-Joc Bolante...) has been appointed as a panel member for the GRP=MILF peace talks, I realy doubt on his ability to handle situation like pacifying the rebels to get into the folds of the law, while his SONS and GOOKS were engaged mauling a 56 year old decent man and his 14 year-old son. You have my support on your fight against these abusive and mindless Gov't officials. Manila is NOT their place, they should be in LANAO SUR helping their fellow MOROS who suffers in HUNGER caused by these incompetent public servants.

rebelink said...

http://gangbadoy.multiply.com/journal/item/288/Three_Versions_of_the_Valley_Golf_Mess._?replies_read=1

smh

Thirty and Flirty! said...

I hope the truth will come out soon. I have read all sides of the story here www.faridauno.blogspot.com . Good luck!

Mir said...

yes those government elect/employed moros have slicing edsa when only going to the mall/restau, complete with their blinkers and escorts behaving like they own metro manila.

pangandamans should resign they are abusive in power.

VF said...

I saw some reactions posted here, and the media too, that the dela Paze's have already filed a case againts the Pangandaman's –that of which, will be a civil case, I suppose.

I haven’t seen (or heard) anything yet about "People of the Philippines vs. the Pangadamans"; meaning the Fiscal's office should automatically prosecute the criminals involved, assuming that beating is considered a criminal offence in the Philippines.

Any lawyer on-board please?

(In the country where I live, the prosecutor comes after your crime kahit hindi magdemanda ang offended party. This must be the reason why their Prime Minister walks around the park without a bodyguard.)

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noroden said...

miss,unfair ka nman sa mga pangandaman kht kelan hndi nasangkot sa gulo mula pa sa umpisa...bka naman puwede un totoo ang sabihin mo!!BACKGROUND kya ng mga dela paz maganda kaya ??

Spencer said...

I suggest telling your story and posting a video on CNN's iReport. It's exactly the type of coverage that you need and will help end the ignorant fool's career.
It's good that blogs and other sites are helping you, but if you really want to cut him down to size you should seek out contacts in large international media. It's a good story for them (little guy vs. corrupt politician) and also will help people in the Philippines realize that the rest of the world *is* watching.

http://www.ireport.com/index.jspa

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drefaura said...

and now for the latest kaganapan.... hindi makontak diumaano si bambee ng GMA News mga ilang oras ang nakakaraan (Jan 9 PM, Manila Time; Morning dito sa east coast Jan 9) para kunin ang kanyang reaksyon sa demandang libel na isinampa ni Junior Pangandaman sa korte sa Lanao.
May mga importanteng detalye na hindi nasulat ni bambee sa kanyang blog na naghuhudyat ng one-sided, lop-sided reporting ng facts na hahantong sa pagdududa ng mambabasa sa credibility ng awtor ng blog.
sa mga huling kataga sa pinakaunang panayam noong Dec. 27 2008 ni Mr. Andy Vital ng radyo DZRH: "sa mga tagapakinig ng aming himpilan, hinihiling po lang namin ang inyong pangunawa at huwag agad-agad magpapasya hangga't hindi namin na-verify ang panawagan ni Ginoong dela Paz, we will get the Pangandaman's story, i-verify pa namin ang medico-legal report na hinihingi namin kay Mr. dela Paz, and we will verify with the antipolo police station and the management of valley golf sa antipolo."
that's what i call balanced reporting.
ingat bambee lagi, mas higit na napakayelo ngayong taong ito dito sa east coast kesa noong mga nakaraang panahon.

mrb777 said...

truth will set you free. just believe in what you think you know is right. ive just seen about this incident in Inquirer.net. At first i thought it's a simple matter.

Hope things will be all right.

Robin Lim said...

Just wanted to express my support.

antonio said...

Clash of ego ang nangyari.. isang mayaman at isang politico…. pang maykaya lang ang golf e di ba… status symbol…. pati anak ni dela paz e naglalaro… gentleman’s game daw ang golf…PWE! ang asal ng mga yan e hoodlum…pare-pareho kayo.
imbes na pairalin ang pasensya at tumawag ng marshall... sportman ba
ang mga yan? binaboy lang ang spirit of golf...

yang mga pulitikong mga yan, ang yayabang pati mga bodyguards… e sineswelduhan lang naman ng taumbayan…akala mo na kung sino.. idamay niyo pa yang mga pulis, militar, konsehal at pati hamak na barangay tanod…
Kaya lang kung iisipin, yang mga dela Paz e mayaman din kasi(kaya afford maggolf)…tinamaan ang mga ego sa paglalaro ng golf due to violation of rules… away ng mga mayayabang at may ere…nagpa-awa effect din na kesyo matanda na yung tatay… tapos yung anak e may hangin din sa ulo..nakikita naman sa pagsasalita e.. paingles-ingles...

gaya sa badminton sa corporate, daming mayabang din(gaya ng duktor na ulol na naglalaro sa centro-inihian ko sasakyan mo gago!) at ngayon lang yata nakapaglaro ng competitive game… hindi nakakaintindi ng pagkatalo or sportsmanship…mga PWE!!!

Batang_Makati said...

We thanking you de la Paz family for the fight you are facing now. Because this fight is not for only you, but for all the Filipinos who's not in power and think that they couldn’t face Goliath.

This fight will give them a lesson. A lesson for those politicians who they feel untouchables, who they feel that god is always favouring to them. ABUSER OF POWER, this is the words that fit to them.

God is with you de la Paz family. God is always there and the media who’s protector of the truth. And for Pangandaman, just a simple message to you, you are not invincible!!!

Joshua said...

Unfortunately Bambee, the most you will get as far as justice is concerned against these SOBs is a slap on the wrist if at all. I used to be a senior political reporter in one of the major broadsheets in Manila before I moved here in the US and based on my experience that's about it. He filed a libel case against you because of what you wrote about the incident, that's pure harrassment and nothing will come out of that. So don't worry about it. Let your lawyer bury that for you. In fact, welcome it it's good publicity for your cause, which is what you want. There are several ways I can suggest for you to get justice.

1. You can try to file a case against them before the DILG under whose authority the mayor falls. But from what I know, the Pangandamans are close to Sec Puno so that's that.
2. You can get justice also, and this is what happened back in the late 80s and early 90s, by giving their names to the hit squad Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB) and for sure they will be on D hit list and could end up with .45 cal bullet in their empty nutshells. Unfortunately, the ABB is no more so what other remedy can you do?

3.Aside from waiting years for your case to get promulgated in court, you could campaign against them this coming election and if you could provide photos of your dad and brother with their injuries- bleeding ear, beat up face, etc (kung walang photos i pa "drawing" mo sa mga photogs and they know it when you tell them that) to give your campaign an actual face.

To tell you the truth, if President GMA herself doesn't give a F--K about her misdemeaning DAR Secretary then there's nothing much you can do.

Best way is to take your cause to the bar of public opinion and let the blind hand of media do the whipping for you. They're hurting now the fact that JR filed a libel case against you. Just keep it up. I used to bring officials like these to their knees back in the day.

Trust me, public opinion hurts more than a bullet in the nut. Power to the Pen!

The BullPen

wala talaga said...

Bambee,

These countercharges they're filing against you... I hope you're prepared for it.

Ganyan talaga yan. Objective nila is ultimately, mag-amicable stettlement kayo out of court.

Makakalimutan ng lahat ang nagyari dahil mawawalan not for long ng interest ang public dahil na rin sa non-coverage ng media. then all "will be going home happy".

And in the end, family ninyo ang talo. Kasi expect these people to come back after you on other issues.

Tingnan mo yung NBN-ZTE... Jose Pidal issue... Northrail Project... Fertilizer scam... and many. many more cases involving the high and mighty, wala na.

Sino ang kawawa after the smoke has cleared and the public has let off its steam? Yung mga maliliit na tao who made the mistake of asking for justice. So, prepare for the worse.

Your family may not be considered "maliit na tao" and maybe your Dad did instigate what ultimately resulted into this lopside brawl... maybe your kid brother did try to help your Dad by fighting back... and maybe you yourself did try your best to help your fallen Dad and kid brother, pero hindi yan excuse para sa warlords to show off and arrogantly shout: "Hindi niyo ba ako kilala?!", sabay sapok sa mukha ng batang nagmamakaawa.

Just keep posting here all the harassments they'd do to you and your family. Para alam ng mundo. I guess, yan na lang ang laban ninyo sa ngayon.

Don't be so naive as to expect justice from our courts though. That's not the way things are played behind the scene. You'll soon see.

Still, keep us posted, if you would. Sana makaya ninyong i-sustain ito. Kasi hindi biro yang kinakaharap ninyo.

Lets see what wins ultimately... freedom of expression by bloggers (as supposedly guaranteed under the Constitution) or libel charges by the "poor, aggrieved, and maligned" powers-that-be.

Take care, girl...

Joshua said...

Unfortunately Bambee, the most you will get as far as justice is concerned against these SOBs is a slap on the wrist if at all. I used to be a senior political reporter in one of the major broadsheets in Manila before I moved here in the US and based on my experience that's about it. He filed a libel case against you because of what you wrote about the incident, that's pure harrassment and nothing will come out of that. So don't worry about it. Let your lawyer bury that for you. In fact, welcome it it's good publicity for your cause, which is what you want. There are several ways I can suggest for you to get justice.

1. You can try to file a case against them before the DILG under whose authority the mayor falls. But from what I know, the Pangandamans are close to Sec Puno so that's that.
2. You can get justice also, and this is what happened back in the late 80s and early 90s, by giving their names to the hit squad Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB) and for sure they will be on D hit list and could end up with .45 cal bullet in their empty nutshells. Unfortunately, the ABB is no more so what other remedy can you do?

3.Aside from waiting years for your case to get promulgated in court, you could campaign against them this coming election and if you could provide photos of your dad and brother with their injuries- bleeding ear, beat up face, etc (kung walang photos i pa "drawing" mo sa mga photogs and they know it when you tell them that) to give your campaign an actual face.

To tell you the truth, if President GMA herself doesn't give a F--K about her misdemeaning DAR Secretary then there's nothing much you can do.

Best way is to take your cause to the bar of public opinion and let the blind hand of media do the whipping for you. They're hurting now the fact that JR filed a libel case against you. Just keep it up. I used to bring officials like these to their knees back in the day.

Trust me, public opinion hurts more than a bullet in the nut. Power to the Pen!

The BullPen

inverbras said...

i read that that those psychos are suing you for libelous blog.

keep it up and don't give in to those neanderthals

wala talaga said...

To the Pangandamans (and Pangandaman lackeys)...

I know you're reading this. So para sa inyo ito...

You say nasasaktan ang pamilya ninyo sa mga comments dito?

Simple lang po ang solusyon... Kung ayaw mong masaktan, huwag kang manakit. Kung ayaw mong maapi, huwag kang mang-api.

This is true for everyone. Sadly, all arrogants put into public posts by the people have yet to understand this rule.

My gut feel is mapapatahimik na ninyo sina Bambee at pamilya niya through your out-of-court settlement. Good job for you!

But don't rely too much nor believe that this learning experience with the Dela Paz family is always the right method in dealing with bloggers crying out for justice in your future "exploits". Next time, baka CNN na ang mag-interview sa inyo.

Ingat-ingat na lang. Wag masyadong arogante. Pakumbaba kayo kunwari. Sayang naman yang "kinikita" ninyo sa position nyo ngayon kung maiistorbo dahil lang sa hangin.

Enjoy!

jp said...

Hi I just saw your golfing story on philnews. I am Quebecois from Montreal Canada. Having been to the Philippines a few times i am
NOT AT ALL surprised by the behavior of these -- officials --. When will the Philippines be returned to its people? Time to get rid of all of these -- officials-- starting with GMA.

Best wished to you your father and brother.

Jasper said...

Really felt bad about this situation too. Stay strong, Ms. Bambee.

To Mayor Nasser Pangandaman Jr, i send this message.

"hinay-hinay lang bay kay bata ka pa." "daghan mga kristiyano diri sa america ang naga_paniid sa imo" "Dili bia nila gusto ang gibuhat nimo."

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Enteng said...

is it true that your family is considering settlement?

what a waste if ever...

;-(

MayDangalPa said...
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MayDangalPa said...

Bambee, stay the course. Please do not succumb to pressures applied to you and your family. I reckon, threats are already being received by your family. We are in the same position as yours, only difference is, we are up against more powerful people than the Pangandamans, go figure who we are up against eh. We have not succumbed and would never do so.
We are praying for your family's safety and strenght. The Lord would guide you and these "powerful" people should be brought down to the ground and realize that they are not above the law. Geez, they even have the te,erity to say that your family picked the fight! That is a hell of BS! Be safe and stay focused.
Hope your family is not in the process of amicably settling this issue_ read: Areglo, as the news have portrayed.
All the best! Maydangalpa.

Precious said...

I would just like to reach out and say that our hearts (my family & mine) go out to you. My parents have been tuning in on news stories brought to us by TFC & GMA, often resulting in further discussions around the table. *shame.

Likewise to what others have said, you are a strong woman. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to have been in your shoes at the time of the incident or what it'd be like now.

Justice and well-being of your family will be kept in our prayers. Just hang in there. =)

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brent said...

the club abd other members are not supporting the family not because of their reputation, but because of the fact that Valley golf does not want to take responsibility for their mistake and the other members are scared of the Pangandamans.

Fall said...

I don't think I would trust all of the "witnesses" account. DO NOT believe all the accounts of the witnesses, most of them are probably paid already by the dirty politicians or they are scared to say the truth.

Please set up a fund or bank account where we can support you financially on this plight for justice of your family. We may not be in the Philippines to suffer injustice in the hands of these dirty politicians but still it hurts us to see news like this, even in the smallest way we would like to help in hopefully restoring a sliver of justice for your family.

Do not be put down by these supposedly "balance reporting by the investigative team", these are just mere attempt of the other side to shake down your supporters.

Stay strong and please consider adding a "donate" link to your blog so we can assist you in some ways.

fruityoaty said...

And now you're getting sued for writing this? Oh...

May you and your family get the justice you deserve.

fruityoaty.com

Shang said...

salamat bambee at may taong katulad mo na malakas ang loob.. bigay ko sa iyo ang suporta ko..

sana huwag mauwi sa wala ang lahat..

hindi kayang tanggalin ni arroyo si PANGANDAMAN kasi may kinikita siya dito at kelangan niya iyon kasi mawawala na siya sa pwesto sa 2010.. kung pwede nga ngayon na masyado na ang pahirap nya sa mga tao..

kaya maging aware tayo maraming asset na ng gobyerno ang binibenta nila..

dapat ipako sa krus ng patiwarik itong mga lintik na ito..

girl said...

http://gangbadoy.multiply.com/journal/item/288/Three_Versions_of_the_Valley_Golf_Mess
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and the truth shall set you free...

brent said...

Just like in almost all cases of fighting, there is always two sides of the story. It's just a matter of what you believe and in this case I do believe Bambee over the Pangandamans story. I also believe, that if they (dela paz)ever lose their case it was because of the Pangandamans influential political connections, in other words the truth may not prevail here due to politics. I even read someone blogging that she actually regret posting Bambee's blog on hers after reading the Pangadaman's version. does that mean that she now believe the Pangadaman's. What if a third version start surfacing, will she again believe the third version over the 1st and 2nd? Grow up!

Satoshi said...

Given the reputation for her dad for being an arse amongst the members of valley golf...

I believe the other versions of the story... the staff and the other members can't stand her dad... ever wonder why the club isn't doing much to protect or support this particular member?

The caddies loathe him, the rest of the club staff can't stand his attitude... they're all laughing now that this happened to him, saying about time karma gave him some righteous payback...

CalmSeas said...

Have you been gone from the Philippines for so long that you have forgotten how vindictive and petty Filipinos can be?

The "Don't you know who I am" syndrome, is alive and well there, as can be seen in this recent case.

Actually it is a good thing that world-wide attention has been brought to it...the world is now seeing exactly what the modern Filipino is like and can make an informed decision on future dealings with the Philippines.

Arrogant and corrupt politicians have destroyed that country, while apathetic and complacent countrymen/sheeple have sulked by in their cowardice.

Filipinos have no one to blame but their selves for the condition of their country...

As a VICTIM of crime and injustice in the Philippines, I have no compassion for people who just sit idly by and let the status quo continue...the Barangay is corrupt, PNP are corrupt, Fiscals are corrupt and the Judiciary is beyond corrupt...and might I add that there is deeply rooted racism amongst Filipinos that only serves them to no good end...whether it be Muslim vs. Christian, Tagalog vs. Bisaya, or at worst Filipino vs. American.

If you give up the fight for justice, then you have just allowed the criminals to continue with what they are doing.

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amelia said...

i will also be praying for these two arrogant politicians?? may they realize that they are only humans bound to expire in God's time....

rimewire said...

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Rich kids.

If this incident had not happened you wouldn't have even thought about injustice.

You're rich, at least you can afford lawyers. What about us.

It's called karma.

elyens

XXXxx

third navarro said...

Get well soon to your father & to your brother. I hope Justice will prevail, maparusahan ang dapat maparusahan. May God on your hands.

Carl said...

We should just pray for the kids involved...bambee and bino...and the 8 year old kid...if he was there.

They seem to be the only victims here...

Jojo said...

Its so sad that after all these years our country has'nt changed a bit. Politicians/Govt. officials together with their immediate relatives still abuse their power and act like they own the Philippines. They get emboldened by the fact that even the likes of murderer Teehankee Jr gets pardoned by the President. As usual they will use scare tactics against your family and witnesses. Or worse, bribe the witnesses. Stand firm and I hope that the very little justice that goes around in the Philippines get sprinkled your way. I hope they dont get elected or appointed anymore in office. But my hopes arent that high. Voters and appointers alike are often blinded by money and false promises. Pilipinas kong mahal, kailan ka makakabangon sa putikang iyong kinasasadlakan, kung ang mga taong namumuno sayo ang syang yumuyurak sayong dangal?

girl said...

you're a liar. you and your family. its good that justice has been served. you're the perfect example of using the underdog story as a hook to win public sympathy.

After investigation, the elder Dela Paz was judged to have instigated the fight at the Valley Golf Course, and was expelled from the golf club for disorderly conduct. Meanwhile, Sec. Pangandaman was suspended for two years, and his sons banned for life from ever entering Valley Golf Club.

Amazing how a very emotional posting can sway public opinion... and how important it is to get all the facts first before handing down judgment. Turns out the victim wasn't such a victim after all.

LIAR.

Froggy said...

It's on the front page of The Star today (January 12, 2009)... "Valley Golf Club kicks out brawlers: De la Paz banned for life; Pangandaman Suspended". The board also banned the children for life.

Anybody in this country can be bought, including witnesses, including "journalists"; we all know it... But a child was beat up here; it doesn't matter who instigated the fight. A CHILD. WAS. BEAT. UP. I don't care if he punched back. He's a kid!

marsison said...

my prayers for you and your family

pinoycanadian

Pinoy Idol said...

i guess your dad is much as an a@hole like the pangandamans.. oh well, that's karma for you both.
it's the clash of your freaking egos.

Evangelo said...

don't be such a pretentious hypocrite you ugly betty, here's the result of the investigation, in which, this delapaz family has been expelled from the club. good riddance for telling a one-sided story:
In the interest of making sure that no facts might be left undisclosed, I will take it upon myself to start from the very beginning. Firstly let us start by saying that on or at about 12:40 p.m., the party of the Pangandaman' s registered at the starter's area. They registered for 2 flights comprised of 4 individuals per flight. Unfortunately, they still had 2 members of their group that had not yet arrived, so they initially tee'd off as 2 successive threesomes. The starter and marshall were informed that the 2 individuals that had not yet arrived would just catch up with them in the fairway. On or at about 1:05 p.m. the Dela Paz group registered initially as a twosome but since this isn't normally allowed, they registered as a 3-some even if the elder Mr. Dela Paz was not really going to play.

When the Dela Paz 3-some was playing on hole number 3, they were passed by 2 golf carts containing Mayor Pangandaman and his companion (in one cart) and the caddies being brought by one of the starter personnell. The Pangandaman' s did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz's who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes. At this point, Mr. Dela Paz said "ah okay, courtesy lang naman". This was verified by the caddies. Mr. Pangandaman said that he did not disturb them anymore because the player was about to hit. At this point, Mayor Pangandaman thought everything was okay so he proceeded to the 4th hole (Par 3) where his other flightmates were. In the records it says that Mr. Pangandaman was not yet even done pitching into the green when a ball landed near his 8-year old child so they immediately made sure the child was secured in the cart. ( For those unaware of the common practice at Valley Golf, on every par 3, the group behind you is signaled to hit into the green once everyone from your group is already on the green) Until you have been cleared to hit by the group ahead, you should not hit into the green. It is common sense and basic precautionary procedure.

In this particular case, we have no corroborative testimony. One set of caddies say they were given clearance, while the other say that no clearance was given as of yet when the ball/s had landed.

The Pangandaman' s claim that the same situation happened in the 5th hole (Par5). Even the caddied confirmed this. At this time, Bambee Dela Paz had called the Marshall to tell him that the flight behind them was complaining about why their pace was slow and that the cause of the delay was the 5-some in front of them. Shortly thereafter, a marshall on his motorcycle appeared and approached the Pangandaman' s and asked if they were playing as a fivesome to which the Mayor said no. "We are 2 foursomes". Nonetheless, the Pangandaman' s had already agreed among themselves that they would rather the Dela Paz's play through. The Mayor was even quoted saying to his Father. " magagaling yung mga bata at malakas pumalo, baka mabagalan sa atin" They informed the marshall that they would just let the Dela Paz group play through and the marshall informed the Mr. Dela Paz of this. ( Just as an aside, the investigative group actually asked the group behind Dela paz if indeed they had complained about the slow down and the group said that the y said no such thing to the Dela paz flight. They were not even in contact at anytime before they arrived at the tee house to see the fight and eventually help stop it) When the Delapaz group reached the green of hole 5, the caddies of the 2 kids gave them their drivers so that they would waste no time playing through. The Mayor, who at that time was sitting along with their companions, stood up to personally tell Mr. Dela Paz to play through. Caddies, and the tee house server claim that the Mayor told Dela Paz na "Mauna na ho kayo" and walked to approach Dela Paz, The response of Dela Paz was "Huwag mo akong pagtaasan ng boses" Dela Paz began to question the Mayor why they were playing as a fivesome. The Mayor said that this was not the case but Dela Paz was insisting and even said (again corroborated by the caddies) "Linoloko mo ba ako?" "Member ka ba dito, Kilala mo ba ako?" (as you can see, this question did not come from Pangandaman. In fact, in the recorded testimony, this is exactly what Pangandaman claimed delapaz had said to him and yet in Delapaz' recorded statement, he never said that the mayor asked him " kilala mo ba ako" Completely different from when the media was already involved.

When Delapaz was posing the above question, the mayor was heard to say. "Sandali lang, hindi naman tayo nagaaway dito. Akala ko ba naayos na natin yung issue kanina sa hole 3? At about this point Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking. The other parties were in the tee house about 15-20 yards away. The Mayor says he was poked and so he backed off and just as he was about to be poked again, his brother, Hussein ran and attacked Delapaz and hit Delapaz knocking him to the ground.( At this point the commotion took place. One of the things observed is 14-year old Bino hit the Mayor with his driver. Apparently, the mayor parried with his forearm and hand so this is where he sustaned the injury. In the process also, Hussein was being pulled off the older dela paz by his 2 children but again Bino was seen to hit Hussein in the face and head while Bambee had scratched the other side of Husseins face. At this time also, witnesses say, that 3 or 4 other members of the flight excluding the Secretary, the 8-year old boy, and the girlfriend of Hussein were involved in attacking or subduing the older dela paz but this lasted very shortly and when the combatants had been separated the existing people in the tee house as well as the new flight that was playing behind the dela paz's.

At this point the Secretary told the delapaz group to leave so as to avoid any more trouble. As the elder delapaz was leaving he was heard calling someone on his cellphone saying " may away kami, pumunta kayo dito"
No one knew who delapaz was speaking to as he walked away towards the main clubhouse. A few minutes later, the secretary and his group decided to end the day instead of continuing to play. When they got to the clubhouse, Hussein wanted to wash up because he was bleeding in the neck area. As he got near the reception area, he saw delapaz and was heard to have said "O, nandito pa pala kayo" to which Dela Paz said "Hindi pa tapos ito gaganti pa kami". At this point, Bino got in between his Dad and Hussein while saying " Tatandaan ka namin" (None of the witnesses in the clubhouse, and there were many, ever saw Bino kneel and say that he was only 14 years old at maawa na sila) On the contrary, Bino was acting like anything but a helpless child. He sounded tough, angry, and antagonistic enough that the fight broke out again. At this point, the bodyguards of the Mayor ran into the clubhouse via the poolside entrance. When questioned about this, the mayor said that one was his driver and the other was his "Yayo". As far as the board was concerned, the "Yayo" was also a bodyguard. Said Yayo came into the clubhouse with a clutchbag containing a gun and brought out the gun without pointing it at anyone. The Mayor immediately instructed him that there was no need for guns and the gun was put back. During the investigation, the Mayor said that the handgun was his and that his "yayo" was likely going to give it to him but he declined. Upon instructing his "yayo", the man just stayed in one corner. At this time the wife of Dela Paz and his other son arrived. The son was wielding a baseball bat and the wife had a knife which she pulled out of a scabbard. These two were subdued by security but they were verbally threatening the Pangandaman' s during this time. There was also a reported incident where the driver of the mayor ran out and came back with a suitcase containing a supposed armalite as claimed by valley security. The driver never pulled it out or pointed it at anyone but it was readily accesible

Evangelo said...

would you mind creating a new blog regarding the expulsion of your family from the golf club? it seems like your father deserved what he got since he has been pain in the a** for several years already... not to forget mentioning your arrogant, bully, pretending to be helpless brother... and of course, your ply-for-symphaty blog doesn't make it any better...

Meg said...

Why are there so many readers villifying the de la Paz family? Whether provoked or not, the family was mauled. With the criticism I've seen, the involved government officials are getting emboldened, and now they are probably offering a settlement to the family to spare them this humiliation. Is that how justice will be served?

Noldie said...

stay strong for your family, kapatid. the TRUE truth -- the other side has its own 'truth' daw -- will come out in the end.

elcondematador said...

Dear Bambee,

The recent decision of the Valley Golf Club is simply unbelievable! For this, I will NEVER play golf at Valley or organize golf tournaments there. In fact, I hope people will stop playing at that golf club.

A 14 year old boy was still being beaten while being treated at their clinic/infirmary! And they believed the caddies of the Pangandaman's instead? Oh, boy!

I appeal to all Ateneans not to patronioze Valley. Aguinaldo is much better!

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Pinoy Idol said...

THIS EVENT SHOULD TEACH EVERYONE A LESSON...

1. Keep your cool on any instant... hubris afflicts everyone.
2. Do not believe everything you read, especially in personal blogs.
3. Do not judge without knowing both sides of the story.
4. The world is indeed fucked up, with people who think they own it.

Trial by publicity

The Pangandamans claimed in their statements that the mayor, although he arrived late, had pre-registered and was simply catching up with the group; that permission had been sought from the marshal and that De la Paz had been informed.

In spite of this, the Pangandamans said the De la Paz flight fired golf balls in their direction on the fairway without shouting “fore,” endangering an 8-year-old child in their group and triggering the brawl on a tee and in the clubhouse.

Other members of the De la Paz family—reportedly the wife armed with a knife and a burly person carrying a baseball bat—attempted to join the fray that also involved armed bodyguards of the Pangandamans.

“If not for the timely intervention of the club’s security personnel and officers and other persons, the situation may have resulted in further violence and injuries,” the board said in its ruling.

Pangandaman Senior said the club ruling was “a vindication.”

“It confirmed what I have been saying from the very beginning,” he said.

He said that Bambee’s e-mail, widely used in newspaper accounts without the Pangandaman comment, had hurt the family.

“We were tried by publicity, but I know the truth will come out,” the agrarian reform secretary said. “It’s been painful for my family.”

He said his sons would pursue the criminal cases in court.

Ted Pastrana, lawyer of the Pangandamans, said he would use the club findings in the criminal case against the De la Paz family.

De la Paz cries foul

De la Paz called the club decision “unfair” and said he was willing to submit to a lie detector test to refute its findings.

“We were the ones who were mauled twice and yet we were the ones expelled,” De la Paz told the Philippine Daily Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net). “What’s happening to our world. The truth doesn’t come out.”

He rued that the findings would ruin the career of his son. “He doesn’t seem to want to play any more.”

Evangelo said...

yes, the children were mauled because the father put them in harms way... golfers has been praying for this older delapaz to be expelled from the club because of his arrogance.

VF said...

True or not the whole story of Ms. dela Paz, the issue right now is the involvement of government officials in a brawl. If I were the Pangandamans, out of propriety, I’ll resign. How the hell will they still have a face to be in court addressed to as Mr. Secretary or Mr. Mayor for mauling charges? Mga aso at unggoy lang a gagawa niyan.

And Ate Glo too. Shouldn’t she fire the secretary just yet? Sabagay, panay kapal-muks na lahat ang mga nasa gobierno.

It’s time to have a Golf Revolution-I and expect better attitude in a more civilized 21st century Philippines.

Evangelo said...

ha ha ha... see how biased this poor kid (as she claims she is) has been all this while deleting comments detailing the other side of the story... tsk tsk tsk cmon people, she wants your sympathy... nevertheless, everyone has to blame in this incident

Kim said...

bambee, honey, you are such a whiner. i doubt it if half of the story you wrote is even true.

and these people who posted nasty stuff about the other party should be ashamed of themselves. do any of you even know WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? where you even there? have you heard of THERE'S ALWAYS TWO SIDES OF THE STORY?

even the Bible didn't say anything about Muslims being bad-ass, so who are you people to say they should rot in hell?

no wonder, some people get expelled. tsk, tsk.

toots said...

too bad. it looks you're not innocent after all. what a shame.

kinsa said...

DAR Sec Pangandaman Sr is so arrogant when he told that his public apology was for the golf club. The apology is huge mockery. He did not ever lift a finger to restrain his 2 sons with bodyguards from almost killing a defenseless 56 yr old father and a 14 yr old son, an egotistical show of power as cabinet secretary. He repeatedly claimed Dela Paz instigated but conveniently forgot that the Pangandamans were the one who did not wait for their golf turn and hijacked the 5th hole.

Pangandamans are assholes.

kinsa said...

The Valley Golf decision to suspend Dela Paz (not only badly beaten) is both an insult and injustice.

The instigator is clearly the Pangandamans who violated the Golf club courtesy rule and impose themselves on others as if they own the Golf.

Nakakahiya!

Evangelo said...

for the convenience of those half-blind people posting comments siding this "poor" girl as she claims she is, here's the decision of the golf club... i hope bambee won't delete this the 2nd time around:
In the interest of making sure that no facts might be left undisclosed, I will take it upon myself to start from the very beginning. Firstly let us start by saying that on or at about 12:40 p.m., the party of the Pangandaman' s registered at the starter's area. They registered for 2 flights comprised of 4 individuals per flight. Unfortunately, they still had 2 members of their group that had not yet arrived, so they initially tee'd off as 2 successive threesomes. The starter and marshall were informed that the 2 individuals that had not yet arrived would just catch up with them in the fairway. On or at about 1:05 p.m. the Dela Paz group registered initially as a twosome but since this isn't normally allowed, they registered as a 3-some even if the elder Mr. Dela Paz was not really going to play.

When the Dela Paz 3-some was playing on hole number 3, they were passed by 2 golf carts containing Mayor Pangandaman and his companion (in one cart) and the caddies being brought by one of the starter personnell. The Pangandaman' s did not ask permission to drive through because they did not want to disturb the Dela Paz's who were in the middle of the fairway. Upon reaching the green of the 3rd hole, Mr. Dela Paz asked the caddie why the people in the cart just went through. Mayor Pangandaman who was already positioned at the 4th hole, personally informed Mr. Dela Paz that they were part of 2 foursomes. At this point, Mr. Dela Paz said "ah okay, courtesy lang naman". This was verified by the caddies. Mr. Pangandaman said that he did not disturb them anymore because the player was about to hit. At this point, Mayor Pangandaman thought everything was okay so he proceeded to the 4th hole (Par 3) where his other flightmates were. In the records it says that Mr. Pangandaman was not yet even done pitching into the green when a ball landed near his 8-year old child so they immediately made sure the child was secured in the cart. ( For those unaware of the common practice at Valley Golf, on every par 3, the group behind you is signaled to hit into the green once everyone from your group is already on the green) Until you have been cleared to hit by the group ahead, you should not hit into the green. It is common sense and basic precautionary procedure.

In this particular case, we have no corroborative testimony. One set of caddies say they were given clearance, while the other say that no clearance was given as of yet when the ball/s had landed.

The Pangandaman' s claim that the same situation happened in the 5th hole (Par5). Even the caddied confirmed this. At this time, Bambee Dela Paz had called the Marshall to tell him that the flight behind them was complaining about why their pace was slow and that the cause of the delay was the 5-some in front of them. Shortly thereafter, a marshall on his motorcycle appeared and approached the Pangandaman' s and asked if they were playing as a fivesome to which the Mayor said no. "We are 2 foursomes". Nonetheless, the Pangandaman' s had already agreed among themselves that they would rather the Dela Paz's play through. The Mayor was even quoted saying to his Father. " magagaling yung mga bata at malakas pumalo, baka mabagalan sa atin" They informed the marshall that they would just let the Dela Paz group play through and the marshall informed the Mr. Dela Paz of this. ( Just as an aside, the investigative group actually asked the group behind Dela paz if indeed they had complained about the slow down and the group said that the y said no such thing to the Dela paz flight. They were not even in contact at anytime before they arrived at the tee house to see the fight and eventually help stop it) When the Delapaz group reached the green of hole 5, the caddies of the 2 kids gave them their drivers so that they would waste no time playing through. The Mayor, who at that time was sitting along with their companions, stood up to personally tell Mr. Dela Paz to play through. Caddies, and the tee house server claim that the Mayor told Dela Paz na "Mauna na ho kayo" and walked to approach Dela Paz, The response of Dela Paz was "Huwag mo akong pagtaasan ng boses" Dela Paz began to question the Mayor why they were playing as a fivesome. The Mayor said that this was not the case but Dela Paz was insisting and even said (again corroborated by the caddies) "Linoloko mo ba ako?" "Member ka ba dito, Kilala mo ba ako?" (as you can see, this question did not come from Pangandaman. In fact, in the recorded testimony, this is exactly what Pangandaman claimed delapaz had said to him and yet in Delapaz' recorded statement, he never said that the mayor asked him " kilala mo ba ako" Completely different from when the media was already involved.

When Delapaz was posing the above question, the mayor was heard to say. "Sandali lang, hindi naman tayo nagaaway dito. Akala ko ba naayos na natin yung issue kanina sa hole 3? At about this point Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking. The other parties were in the tee house about 15-20 yards away. The Mayor says he was poked and so he backed off and just as he was about to be poked again, his brother, Hussein ran and attacked Delapaz and hit Delapaz knocking him to the ground.( At this point the commotion took place. One of the things observed is 14-year old Bino hit the Mayor with his driver. Apparently, the mayor parried with his forearm and hand so this is where he sustaned the injury. In the process also, Hussein was being pulled off the older dela paz by his 2 children but again Bino was seen to hit Hussein in the face and head while Bambee had scratched the other side of Husseins face. At this time also, witnesses say, that 3 or 4 other members of the flight excluding the Secretary, the 8-year old boy, and the girlfriend of Hussein were involved in attacking or subduing the older dela paz but this lasted very shortly and when the combatants had been separated the existing people in the tee house as well as the new flight that was playing behind the dela paz's.

At this point the Secretary told the delapaz group to leave so as to avoid any more trouble. As the elder delapaz was leaving he was heard calling someone on his cellphone saying " may away kami, pumunta kayo dito"
No one knew who delapaz was speaking to as he walked away towards the main clubhouse. A few minutes later, the secretary and his group decided to end the day instead of continuing to play. When they got to the clubhouse, Hussein wanted to wash up because he was bleeding in the neck area. As he got near the reception area, he saw delapaz and was heard to have said "O, nandito pa pala kayo" to which Dela Paz said "Hindi pa tapos ito gaganti pa kami". At this point, Bino got in between his Dad and Hussein while saying " Tatandaan ka namin" (None of the witnesses in the clubhouse, and there were many, ever saw Bino kneel and say that he was only 14 years old at maawa na sila) On the contrary, Bino was acting like anything but a helpless child. He sounded tough, angry, and antagonistic enough that the fight broke out again. At this point, the bodyguards of the Mayor ran into the clubhouse via the poolside entrance. When questioned about this, the mayor said that one was his driver and the other was his "Yayo". As far as the board was concerned, the "Yayo" was also a bodyguard. Said Yayo came into the clubhouse with a clutchbag containing a gun and brought out the gun without pointing it at anyone. The Mayor immediately instructed him that there was no need for guns and the gun was put back. During the investigation, the Mayor said that the handgun was his and that his "yayo" was likely going to give it to him but he declined. Upon instructing his "yayo", the man just stayed in one corner. At this time the wife of Dela Paz and his other son arrived. The son was wielding a baseball bat and the wife had a knife which she pulled out of a scabbard. These two were subdued by security but they were verbally threatening the Pangandaman' s during this time. There was also a reported incident where the driver of the mayor ran out and came back with a suitcase containing a supposed armalite as claimed by valley security. The driver never pulled it out or pointed it at anyone but it was readily accesible

Evangelo said...

here's an article (tamaan na ang tamaan):
the problem with bloggers:
http://tribune.net.ph/commentary/20090113com1.html

Batang_Makati said...

Let us make this thing simple. You Pangandaman beat a 56 years old man and the worst is the 14 years old kid.

And to think, the Father and Son were the one started the fight. "Common guys, Filipinos are not that stupid as you think". Actually Filipinos are good thinker and analyst.

You know what the Filipinos are thinking now; you Pagandaman are using now a dirty tactics. Money talks right and influence plus goons.

So a call for you valley golf club, including the management. Your place is not safe for member who wishes to play golf. You could not protect your guest from harm, especially what happened. You only protect the people with influence.

And a simple advice for those who wish to play at valley club, go and Play if you have influenced and goons. But if you are a peaceful people with a family kids with you. Don’t go to this golf club. Thanks

Noldie said...

parang israel vs. hamas yan e. both sides claim to be in right; but, apparently, both sides are also 'wrong' in some way. but the fact remains, kahit saang anggulo mo pa tingnan ang nangyari -- in the end, people see 2 guys (one of whom is practically still a boy) being mauled my several adult men with guns. kinda hard to explain that image away, di ba?

Evangelo said...

mauling is still mauling but at least straight out the facts first...

Evangelo said...

their dad is really an arrogant guy... believe it or not! he met his match

votyradioblog said...

well, the 14 yr old boy doesn't look like 14 yrs old...
i wonder if in the heat of the moment, anyone would ask first a boy how old he is before mauling him...
and as for the older guy..
well.. age is just a number sabi nga nila.. may mga matandang walang pinagkatandaan...

Jonas said...

Ang nagyari kasi ganito:

Humirit yung bastos, gumanti din
yung isang bastos. so nagkabastusan
nga. may ilang bastos pang nakisawsaw.

At lumaki ang bastusan dahil sa
mga kumakalat na kasinungalingan...

alabmw said...

Daniel de la Paz, kawawa naman ag mga anak mo. Idinamay mo sa kayabangan mo.

alabmw said...

Sa mga hindi golfers magtanong kayo sa mga members, empleyado, caddy, marshalls, waiters, towel boys, umbrella girls, groundskeepers, security guards, at maski sinong golfers ang naniniwala sa mga de la Paz.

alabmw said...

For the uninformed, please ask yourselves or any golfer why no one among the thousands of members of the Valley Golf and Country Club supports the de la Paz family in this fiasco. If this is not a statement strong enough to denounce the kind of the de la Paz family is, I don't know what else to say.

Evangelo said...

that's true. the arrogant older dela paz got his children in harm's way... and now he's using them to ask for sympathy... he was the instigator... both parties are at fault. this is just a simple fight gone big by rich people...

alabmw said...

Evangelo,
You are right in saying that the old man de la Paz got his children into harm's way just to prove himself. That is totally unforgivable specially in the light of the findings of the factfinding comittee of the Valley Golf and Country Club. He even instigated them to hit balls at holes no.4 and 5 before the other players are out of the way. Unless you are a golfer you will not appreciate the gravity of this breach of golf rules and etiquette, if not simply endangering the flight ahead of you. This is a mortal sin in golf, and the de la Paz family did just that.

kinsa said...

Evangelo - you have done a good demolition job for the Pangandamans except that it will not hold. Nice try though.

1. "Kilala mo ba ako" is coming from someone who possess power. The mayor wields tremendous power not even counting the bodyguards compared to the unknown old Dela Paz. The mayor with his powerful cabinet secretary dad has the arrogance.

2. Mayor Pangandaman bypassing Dela Paz did not ask permission as he thought not to disturb. His inner thought serves only himself. That is why a permission rule was created to avoid misunderstanding. The mayor by his action instigated misunderstanding.

3. Contradiction is self-evident. "We have no corroborative testimony" and yet followed by "One set of caddies say they were given clearance" to explain why the ball landed near the mayor's child. Why would the mayor bring an 8 yr old in harm's way is another question. Arrogance breeds where he thinks he can do anything.

4. The poor old Dela Paz portrayed as violent as suddenly poked the Mayor without provocation despite the presence of bodyguards. That is against human experience.

5. The account confirmed that the mayor, brother and the bodyguards gang-up and attacked ("attacking")the 56 yr old Dela Paz. The onlooker powerful DAR secretary did not even flinched and stopped his sons and bodyguards.

6. Of course, arrogant DAR secretary told the Dela Paz to leave as if he can tell anybody as he is powerful and should be feared.

Thank you Evangelo for clarifying.

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kinsa said...

re: "If this is not a statement strong enough to denounce the kind of the de la Paz family is, I don't know what else to say." by alabmw.

re: "both parties are at fault" by Evangelo.

These false statements are hard to stomach. It is just plain common sense. A 56 yr old man protected by a 14 yr old son became the aggressor against a mayor, a brother, a high ranking government official flanked by bodyguards.

It is funny how people can distort facts.

ronaldfronda,md said...

Marami talagang nabibili ang salapi pati na ilang bloggers dito sa forum mo.

Gusto nilang mangyari, pag mayabang ka puwede kang bugbugin at kaslanan mo pa.

Pag tahimik ka lang puwede ka ring bugbugin at kasalanan mo pa rin.

Ipinagmamalaki pa yung 8 year old na hindi naman nabugbog.

Sino ba dapat parusahan yung nangbugbog na may mga baril at bodyguard o yung ginulpi may kayabangan man o wala.

Wag kang mag-alala Bambi, mas maraming naniniwala sa iyo kesa sa mga taong nagtatago sa likod ng mga screen name dito.

Pero hanggang maari wag kayong magsettle ng hindi ayon sa kundisyones nyo, tulad ng paghingi man lang ng paumanhin sa pamilya nyo.

Katulad ng sinabi ko, mag open ka ng account para sa ipinaglalaban nyo at handa akong tumulong dahil hindi lang ikaw ang binastos ng mga iyon kundi pati na rin taong bayan dahil mga public figures ang mga ito, ginagamit nila at nagtatago sila hindi lang sa likod ng kanilang salapi kundi na rin sa kapangyarihan na ibinigay sa kanila ng taong bayan. Mga public servants na sarili lang ang pinagsisilbihan. Mga nakakahiya, makakapal talaga ang mga mukha.

Satoshi said...

nice! expelled! 2009 is off to a great start...

thank mister mayor for finally putting the elder de la paz guy in his rightful place...

as for the state of philippine politics and their politicians... well it's an endless cycle on who to blame... I for one blame them pinoys who sided with the spanish when the brits briefly took over manila during the seven years war...

had the philippines become a brit colony instead of a spanish would've been a step in the right direction... sadly seems every former spanish colony seems to suffer from the same levels of corruption and public apathy

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Abraham said...

The latest comment(s) are becoming more of justifying what the cause of the beating incident.

Everyone, please remember that the aggressors (the one(s) that threw the first punch) is a government official and the others are related to another government official.

These people should have shown the highest and utmost tolerance and patience as they hold power in seats of the government. Whatever the cause of the incident even if they have been literally slapped in the face by any regular citizen, these powerful people (note this: power vested by the people who elected and endorsed them to office) should be more forgiving and understanding.

Beating up older men and children are in no means justifiable, especially if powerful. The aggressors have the guns and the elder and youngster have none.

This is a matter of accountability.

Accountable to their wrong reaction towards an incident that could have been resolved with dialogue vice violence.

Remember, with great powers lies great responsiblities. And friends, they are directly responsible to whom they almost killed. THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR ACTIONS!

The aggressors' reason as to the cause of the incident is not justified in this matter.

Tanga ako pero hindi mangmang.....

To Bambee and her family, we are more bold to speak out because of people like you. Your cause is also Juan de la Cruz's cause. God bless you and your family.

ALDRINE said...

Nobody knows the truth but both parties themselves.I should leave the decision to God and not by "trial by publicity" alone.
God bless you and your family.And as for whose side I'm on, truth will eventually take us there.

Political Jaywalker said...

No amount of rationalization will justify an act of barbarity, a public official a high ranking one at that with a son being a mayor has no business getting involve in a "brawl" that is likely more of mauling a child and his 56 years old father. In a civilized society public officials are held on a higher standards and they suffer the consequence of their embarrassing actions by losing credibility and normally will resign their post.

Evangelo said...

HAHAHA... GALENG GALENG NG POOR (AS SHE CLAIMS SHE IS) UGLY BETTY NA SI BAMBEE SA PAG-DELETE NG MGA POSTS LALO NA YUNG DETAILING YUNG NAGING RESULTA NG INVESTIGATION (YUNG DETALYE NA ANG TATAY NYANG MAYABANG ANG NAGSIMULA NG GULO AT NADAMAY TULOY MGA ANAK NYA)... CGE DELETE MO DIN TO! REALITY BITES

Dagang Costa said...

To all visiting this, read this ok...

"Last Monday, Bambee’s father Delfin and her brother Bino Lorenzo, 14, filed two counts of slight physical injuries and three counts of child abuse charges against Mayor Pangandaman and his brother Muhammed Hussein before the Antipolo Prosecutor’s Office.

Two hours later, the Pangandaman brothers appeared at the same prosecutor’s office to file physical injuries charges against the De la Pazes.

They also filed grave coercion and light threats charges against Delfin, Bino, Bambee, and Bruce who arrived in the Valley Golf and Country Club in Antipolo armed with a baseball bat and Mrs. Maridel de la Paz who was armed with a bladed weapon.

Fortun deferred Wednesday the filing before the Ombudsman of additional charges against the Pangandamans to pave the way for an out- of-court settlement.

The squabble between the Pangandamans and De la Pazes occurred at the Valley Golf and Country Club in Antipolo last Dec. 26."

The Pangandamans have the guts to file a counter-charge against the Dela-Pazes and the counter-charge is a physical injury charge.

He must have broke his hand hitting the two men so I think it is natural for him, because you know, it isn't his fault the two people he's beating up has such hard bodies (hint of sarcasm people).

Well, good for him. I hope he gets what he deserves for this mess.

To the Dela-Pazes: Good luck to you and take care...

Take. Good. Care.

Dagang Costa said...

Pandagdag: WALA DIN PALANG NANGYARI!

SITILMINT DIN PALA SILA.

UKI LANG, NEXT TIME DON'T ASK FOR JUSTICE IF IT HAS BEEN SERVED TO YOU AND CAN'T TAKE THE CONSEQUENCES.

"DON'T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA, THE TRUTH IS I'LL NEVER LEAVE YOU"

kinsa said...

Re: Evangelo's lies
1. UGLY BETTY SI BAMBEE.
2. PAG-DELETE NG MGA POSTS.
3. TATAY NYANG MAYABANG.
4. TATAY ANG NAGSIMULA NG GULO.

Evangelo - reality really bites as you have demonstrated as you are screaming (all capitalized) in your posts. It won't help your lies though.

1. Bambee is exceedingly charming and photogenic. Her picture can melt ones heart. But for Pangadaman's and their friends, her image is like a dagger of truth. Ouch!

2. I would not be able to respond if the posted lies were deleted.

3. The mayor and DAR Sec with powerful connections, goons and guns are arrogant. The sons mauled an old man and a kid while the DAR Sec arrogantly told them to leave the place after beaten as if the Pangandamans owned the golf club.

4. The Pangandamans with government power and bodyguards have no respect of golf permission rule, instigated the misunderstanding and imploded into mauling of an old man and a kid.

This is no accident. Anybody who happen to get an ire of a powerful political family while playing golf or any activity in the Philippines can be mauled without justice. The powerful political families in the Philippines like the Pangandamans are calling the shots.

They even dare to silence this blog here by filing a libel case. They can intimidate with guns, goons and power. But they cannot silence the Dela Paz family and the people who truly understand their plight. Because we can see ourselves in Dela Paz. We as ordinary citizen cannot be cowered in fear and silenced by the powerful elite families like Pangandamans.

-kinsa of Surigao City.

ronaldfronda,md said...

Kapag may NAME CALLING na, ibig sabihin may tinatamaan at may nasasaktan na, at saka ibig sabihin basyo na ang mga ideya para sa pinag-uusapan, kaya hanggang bansag na lang, baka kasi mga bobo nagbabasa eh makalusot, baka yung nagpo-post kasama na mga nanggulpi.

lethalverses said...

I heard the news about what happened to the case...

Totoo bang the case was dismissed???

PUTANGINA nila ulit (for the second time, hayaan mo na akong magmura)... kung mayroong nangyaring inhustisya dito'y hihilingin ko ang di nila pagtatamo ng kapayapaan habang sila'y humihinga...

shepot said...

my prayers reach out to your family. i just hate the absence of justice when politicians become involved.

neri said...

Hi there, I only got your link from Daphne's blog and I knew this from the news. However it's still different to read something on a personal point of view. I sure hope you get justice and kahit naman sa balita, obvious na sila yung may sala. Sana lang may hustisya pa talaga dito sa Pinas. Praying for your family. God bless. :)

Carmelyn said...

naglumuhod ba kamo kapatid mo, nagmamakaawa? bat sa dami ng tao don ikaw lang daw nakakita? yikes.

Mel said...

As someone who has sympathized with you and spread the email about what happened to you, I am disappointed that your account of what happened was not as factual as you had claimed. With all the reports coming, witnesses and other members of the golf club stating a different scenario, I will spread the email with the unsensationalized account of the incident. God forbid that you think I am defending the politicos, but what we are all after is just something fair. I still think the Pangandaman's are wrong. As people in government, they are the enforcers of the law. Provoked or unprovoked, they should not have assaulted your father and your brother. But what is being painted in the media as a wild, power-crazed, david vs goliath type of confrontation is simply not true. I hope you get justice for your brother. But next time, give all the facts. People will still support you as long as they know you are telling all of the truth, bad and good. Your credibility was damaged by this and it shouldn't have been.

kinsa said...

Carmelyn, golf employees who witness the mauling will not dare to cross the powerful Pangandamans. Even those in the office told the Dela Paz to leave immediately for their safety.

Mel, the reports that you are talking about are scripted weeks after the fact. Bambee's unadulterated account is right after the incident. In rules of evidence, spontaneous account such as Bambee has high degree of credibility.

Paul Farol said...

@ KINSA regarding

"Carmelyn, golf employees who witness the mauling will not dare to cross the powerful Pangandamans. Even those in the office told the Dela Paz to leave immediately for their safety."

"Mel, the reports that you are talking about are scripted weeks after the fact. Bambee's unadulterated account is right after the incident. In rules of evidence, spontaneous account such as Bambee has high degree of credibility."

Bambee's account is SELF SERVING as one should expect. She is appealing for sympathy and support. Naturally, because Bambee is doing this, she will not put anything in her account that would go against her intent.

Also, what are you doing pointing out supposed RULES OF EVIDENCE?

You obviously don't know enough about the law to begin talking about the rules of evidence.

Spontaneous accounts or testimony are still examined and tested in court. It is not taken for fact just for the reason that it is SPONTANEOUS OR WAS GIVEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FACT.

MARVIN said...

please update us regarding the progress of this case.

omnipotent polar bear said...

so yeah, i stumbled upon this blog after a half hour messing up with blogger. and i was really surprised to see this. i mean, wow. that's one fucked up shit.

whenever we read it in the news, it just feels natural that something like this happen, i mean incidents like this. But when one finds a random blog whose story tells an epic tragedy like this, one suddenly cares so much.

it's actually better to hear it from your side, since you witnessed it. you were there. it was your family that was abused. and it does hurt, i'm quite sure. remember though, karma comes in all forms. so yeah. They'll get what they deserve sooner or later. As for you, you're family is so blessed for having someone like you, a father who cares so much, and a brother who knows when things are going too far.

i wish to give something more, but sadly i don't think i can do anything. a morale booster like this is all i can do. it's what we can all do. well, in case there is something we can do for you, just give us a ring ayt? *this is getting very confusing*

i wish luck to you and your family. God bless. And thank you for the story. It got me to a lot of things to think about.

We Are One.

omnipotent polar bear said...

so yeah, i stumbled upon this blog after a half hour messing up with blogger. and i was really surprised to see this. i mean, wow. that's one fucked up shit.

whenever we read it in the news, it just feels natural that something like this happen, i mean incidents like this. But when one finds a random blog whose story tells an epic tragedy like this, one suddenly cares so much.

it's actually better to hear it from your side, since you witnessed it. you were there. it was your family that was abused. and it does hurt, i'm quite sure. remember though, karma comes in all forms. so yeah. They'll get what they deserve sooner or later. As for you, you're family is so blessed for having someone like you, a father who cares so much, and a brother who knows when things are going too far.

i wish to give something more, but sadly i don't think i can do anything. a morale booster like this is all i can do. it's what we can all do. well, in case there is something we can do for you, just give us a ring ayt? *this is getting very confusing*

i wish luck to you and your family. God bless. And thank you for the story. It got me to a lot of things to think about.

We Are One.

Winston said...

bakit "tapos na ang kaso" kapag may 8 year old doon. ano ang mas mabigat - ang may 8 year old na nakakita sa away o na may 14 year old na binugbog?

and by the way, bakit finile nila ang libel case vs. Bambee sa Lanao at hindi sa Manila - para siguradong panalo sila?

John said...

I'm going to be frank about it, so hate me if you will, but I think this needs to be said.

Stop playing the "I'm the victim" card. All you're doing is putting all the blame on the other party when both parties are liable for the incident anyway. Pareho kayong may mali, kaya please lang, wag naman kayo magmalinis.

ronaldfronda,md said...

So John, pagbinugbog ka ng Pulis diyan sa kanto at sumulat ka sa blog mo, ano ilalagay mo? Nabugbog po ako kasi kasalanan namin pareho! Helloo?????

Den said...

I just blogged about this incident. I hope that people will continue to support you and your family.

Keep up the fight!

i.am/dennisrelojo.net

kinsa said...

re: "Bambee's account is SELF SERVING as one should expect. She is appealing for sympathy and support" - Paul Farol

In a political world where Paul Farol thrives, an account serves a political purpose just like Paul Farol's opinion.

However, an 18 yr old teen whose 56 yr old father and 14 yr old kid were beaten up by Pangandaman's sons and fully armed bodyguards, lacks the sophistication of a scripted political mind to generate sympathy and support. The true account hanging in life and death as written in spontaniety negate any devious mind that a person like Paul Farol can invent having covered so much Philippine political garbage.

Thanks Paul for your kind of "dishing out brand of injustice on those who screw up". Please check yourself in the mirror while in the senate.

kinsa said...

Tama ka RonaldFonda, sa Pinas bugbog ka na, kasalanan mo pa!

Pilipinos are known for such elitist mentality like John, Paul Farol, etc. No wonder the country does not progress.

Smile.

kinsa said...

The names "Paul" and "John" were Christian apostles.

It is a shame to hear the Paul and John trashing the beat up Dela Paz.

Tsk tsk.

Nightfly said...

Marami ng "pala" na pinakalat ang mga Pangandaman para mag comment sa blog na ito to discredit the account of Bambee about the incident. Ask youself "What would a reasonable person do if you were in the same situation?" Malakas ang imagination ang mga "hakot" ng mga Pangandaman pero mas matalino ngayon ang Pilipino. Please do not lose faith in the power of the blogger. Continue to forward this account of the incident to everyone. We will not stop until these piss poor excuses for public servants are removed from office.

John said...

It's not about elitism. It's about, reaping what you sow.

ronald, in your example, napakadaling sabihin para sa akin na "binugbog ako ng pulis" and get some sympathy out of you. But what if the truth was "binugbog ako ng pulis matapos kong tinuhod sya sa tiyan at dinuraaan", would I still get your full sympathy? Mali nga yung pulis, pero mali din naman ako in that example, di ba? so why the one-sided sympathy for the delapaz family? Eh kung ikaw kaya ang tinuhog ko ng payong, at bigla mo akong binugbog dahil dun, ikaw lang ba ang mali?

and kinsa, set your facts straight. Long before John and Paul became apostles, these names were already traditional hebrew names, so don't play the religion card. And if the common man is giving in to mob-mentality instead of actually looking at the whole incident from all angles with little to no bias, then yes I'd rather be elite than be a common man, because that way at least I can say with full confidence that I have my own opinion, my own identity, and uninfluenced ideas. Of course, if being sheep suits you, then by all means.

Let's set this straight everyone. Wala akong kinakampihan. It's all about fairness. It's just unfair for a person to get all this sympathy from everyday joes by creating such a self-serving, biased account of the incident, when the investigation by the country club shows that the delapaz family threw the first proverbial stone.

John said...

And for the record, I'm not an advocate of violence, though I do not put blame on those who do resort to violence.

And while I do believe that the pangandamans deserve punishment from the justice system, I also believe that the dela paz family had it coming. They were like little kids playing with matches and then getting their hands burned.

Both sides are just plain idiots for letting bravado and short tempers get the best of them. Sympathy? Don't make me laugh.

Paul Farol said...

@Kinsa,

Your beloved Bambi is selling out AND ASKING THE PANGANDAMANS FOR A LOT OF MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR DROPPING THE CASE.

This makes their whole cry for justice nothing but a pile of crap.

ronaldfronda,md said...

John, may point exactly, hindi ka dapat binugbog ng pulis dahil siya ang may kapangyarihan, dapat inaresto ka na lang niya, kung binugbog ka niya dapat kasama mo siya sa kulungan. At ang parusa niya ay mas mabigat pa sa iyo kahit ikaw ang may kasalanan dahil ginamit niya ang kapangyarihan at kaalaman niya sa panggulpi na itinuro sa kanya sa academy ng mga pulis na binayaran ko at binayaran mo. It's not about sympathy, it's about abuse of power. .

John said...

@ronald

I'm not saying that the pangandamans don't deserve to go to jail. My point was all this praise, all the kind words and all the sympathy people are giving the dela paz family are totally undeserved on their part.

I guess I didn't make my point quite clear for some people, so I can understand why people reacted violently.

Basta ang akin lang naman, kung me kelangan malagot, dapat pareho malagot dahil pareho nadala ng init ng ulo at gumawa ng kalokohan.

brent said...

When you accept that job to become a public servant...you have to be just that a public servant and that includes your responsibility as a responsible government official....ah well I live in the States...is it any different in the Philippines?

kinsa said...

Paul Farol, obviously you are too eager dishing out your brand of injustice "Bambi is selling out AND ASKING THE PANGANDAMANS FOR A LOT OF MONEY IN EXCHANGE FOR DROPPING THE CASE" in your 1/19 posting. Perhaps your inventive journalism honed at the Senate can stretch so far if you wait a little longer.

1/20 Inquirer posted that Dela Paz are preparing for litigation, preliminary investigation continues.

kinsa said...

Brent, exactly the point.

In the Philippines, the public officials are not public servant. You should see how they own the roads with escort. Being surrounded by bodyguards at all times is strong indication that they fear the people that they sworn to serve.

kinsa said...

Re: "My point was all this praise, all the kind words and all the sympathy people are giving the dela paz family are totally undeserved on their part" - John

John, you cannot justify your violent reactions just because the old man had it coming.

Pagulpi ka muna so you can understand.

John said...

@kinsa

Oh yes I can. for the same reason anyone can say "buti nga sa yo."

and futhermore, as Paul has already pointed out so clearly, your beloved Bambee's integrity can be bought. Isa syang bayaran. I don't need a better reason than that to react violently to her plea for pity.

A person whose integrity is compromised has no right to ask for sympathy from other people. In fact, I spit on her face (figuratively, of course). Integrity is what makes us human beings. Without it, a person is no better than an animal!

If she's really calling out for "justice", she wouldn't put a price tag on it.

Sisiga-siga yung pamilya nya sa ibang tao s country club, pero pag naharap sila sa palaban, sila pa ngayon ang "kawawa"? Give me a break. If you go around looking for trouble, don't come crying to mommy when you find someone who can kick your ass.

ronaldfronda,md said...

Paul Farol
Monetary settlement is not selling out, it's one way of getting justice. Sa susunod na isipin niyang manggulpi ay iisipin muna niya kung it's worth a couple million bucks, then that's justice for me too. Syempre gusto natin silang makulong pero what's the odds of that, de la Paz should take the money and run. Tutal the world already knows what the DAR Secreatary and his kids are all about.

ronaldfronda,md said...

Paul Farol
Monetary settlement is not selling out, it's one way of getting justice. Sa susunod na isipin niyang manggulpi ay iisipin muna niya kung it's worth a couple million bucks, then that's justice for me too. Syempre gusto natin silang makulong pero what's the odds of that, de la Paz should take the money and run. Tutal the world already knows what the DAR Secreatary and his kids are all about.

ronaldfronda,md said...

John,
Thank you for clarifying your position, unfortunately, mas nananiwala ko sa version ni Bambi kesa sa Abusadong DAR Secretary na yan at sa mga anak niya. You know why, because we are not idiots like they think we are. Yung bersiyon niya eh pang comics lang.

Paul Farol said...

@ Kinsa

Doubt the information if you must, but your paltry attempts at slurring me only betray the obvious limitations of your intellect.

You don't know anything about the law, you don't know anything about the negotiations that are going on between the Dela Paz's and the Pangandamans, and you don't know what justice really is.

Have you heard of the phrase, 'Do not ask for justice with blood on your hands?'

Why don't you ask somebody to explain to you what that is. Because this is exactly the phrase that best describes what happened to the Dela Paz's and the Pangandamans.

Delfin really provoked the attack.

Now are we supposed to get on his side just because he got beaten up badly? Do we necessarily become cohorts of the Pangandamans if we point out that Delfin is a maniacal jerk on the golf course?

The answer is no in both instances.

If I were the judge hearing this case, I would punish both parties.

The higher purpose of the law and the courts in this instance is to maintain peace. Both parties disturbed the peace and both parties should be punished.

kinsa said...

re: In fact, I spit on her face (figuratively, of course)- John.

re: I don't need a better reason than that, to react violently to her plea for pity - John.

John, what happened to you? Dela Paz specifically Bambee had done nothing to you. And yet you spit on her face and react violently.

You must have been spurned by a cute girl or just a mama's spoiled boy.

kinsa said...

gre: "Doubt the information if you must, but your paltry attempts at slurring me only betray the obvious limitations of your intellect"- Paul Farol

Sounding like Master Yoda (***, if you must) does not make you intelligent, sorry.

re: "You don't know anything about the law, you don't know anything about the negotiations that are going on between the Dela Paz's and the Pangandamans, and you don't know what justice really is." -Paul Farol.

Even if you have covered Senate proceedings does not make you an expert on law nor on justice. At best, you were just a PR guy for string of cabinet secretaries. That is your work experience. Hence, it is easy to see you are doing a PR job for another cabinet secretary -DAR Pangandaman. Bingo!

kinsa said...

re: "Have you heard of the phrase, 'Do not ask for justice with blood on your hands?' Why don't you ask somebody to explain to you what that is." -Paul Farol

re: "Delfin really provoked the attack."

Thanks for being a believer of perverted street justice. It is justice of the mob typical in the Philippines. It speaks loud of your intellect. Even a lowly thief has a basic human right.

A 56 yr old man facing the mayor, his brother and 5 fully armed bodyguards, provoked the attack? A helluva PR job to cover that the mayor instigated the mauling by ignoring the permission rule as if the family owned the golf course (in fact, DAR sec told the Dela Paz to leave).

kinsa said...

re: "If I were the judge hearing this case, I would punish both parties." - Paul Farol.

re: "The higher purpose of the law and the courts in this instance is to maintain peace." - Paul Farol.

There is no way you can be a judge, much less pass a bar exam. Hehe. I am not kidding. Just stick as a writer or PR guy. You can quote me that the higher purpose of law is to provide protection and justice to ones right to life, liberty and property.

The fact remains that the old man and his 14 yr old kid were beaten by the mayor, his brother and 5 fully armed bodyguards, almost deprived of their precious lives. Dela Paz rights were violated.

kinsa said...

"Integrity is what makes us human beings. Without it, a person is no better than an animal!" - John

Boy, you don't know what you are talking. Integrity in a person refers to one's moral character. If you spit on a girl you barely knew, you are devoid of integrity. By your statement, you are an animal. Look at the mirror, please. LOL.

Paul Farol said...

@ Kinsa,

If you really believe that your girlfiend Bambee is telling the WHOLE truth, why don't you go with her to Masiu, Lanao Del Norte where she's supposed to face charges of libel.

Also, why don't you post with your real full name. Takot ka bang magpakilala? Takot ka bang panindigan ang mga pinagsusulat mo? Bading ka ba?

Paul Farol said...

@ Kinsa,

It's final, John and I are right.

You are wrong.

So, shut up.

Nightfly said...

Some conributors who are on the side of the Pangandamans based their conclusions on the premise that both parties came into the situation as equals. They are not equals. The Pangandamans are public servants and the dela Paz' were the public. Public servants are held to a higher standard than the rest of us. They are expected to abide & uphold the law equally. Provide an honest days work & address any problem brought forward by the public. Dapat nilang tugunan ang hinaing ng mamamayan ng lahat ng kanyang nalalaman, lahat ng kagamitang kailangan at sa pamamaraang magalang. Hindi niya maaring isipin na istorbo o abala ang nag rereklamong mamamayan. Kahit siya mismo ang nirereklamo. In Mr. dela Paz' mind he had a legitimate complaint. Let's say Mr. dela Paz was arrogant, the Mayor could have diffused the situation first. When tensions subsided the Mayor could have sorted things out with the citizen. The Mayors pride and ego got hurt so bad he beat the elder dela Paz and the 14 yr old boy. Twice!! Very baaaaad attitude. If the mayor handled it like a true public servant, I am sure everyone went away without any hard feelings. None of this would have happened. The DAR Sec is not off the hook either. His instigations and later inaction is just as bad.

kinsa said...

re: "If you really believe that your girlfiend Bambee is telling the WHOLE truth, why don't you go with her to Masiu, Lanao Del Norte where she's supposed to face charges of libel." - Paul Farol

Paul, you are almost 40 yrs old and you are suggesting to an 18 yr old Bambee to go to Lanao where the Pangandaman call the shots. You need to examine your head for suicidal tendencies.

kinsa said...

re: "Also, why don't you post with your real full name. Takot ka bang magpakilala? Takot ka bang panindigan ang mga pinagsusulat mo? Bading ka ba?" - Paul Farol

And who are you to dictate, excuse me. The Pangandamans arrogance has infected you already. You cannot just shove your lies as PR guy for the cabinet secretary. People can read Paul Farol and knows your resume. Not only that, you have shown the world that Paul Farol is a bigot and gay haters.

Thanks Paul Farol for who you really are.

kinsa said...

re: "It's final, John and I are right. You are wrong. So, shut up." - Paul Farol.

A John who spit at an 18 yr old teen and a late 30's writer who is doing a lousy PR job for the cabinet secretary, the public can tell. In fact, your PR jobs in your blog has no takers. Nilalangaw yata! Zero response so you tried to spread your venom here.

Unfortunately, we knew. Hehe.

John said...

@kinsa

To be exact, Integrity is not moral character. It's moral soundness and consistency. As in asking for justice and NOT putting a price on it. As in presenting all sides of the story instead of a biased self-serving statement with the intention of playing gullible people like you like a fiddle. As in resorting to morally sound means in the search of justice, instead of the libelous statements made by this blogger. What Bambee has done, instead, was pass off condescending self-righteousness for integrity. And for that, she deserves to be spat on.

And further more, her being female has nothing to do with it. I'm willing to bet that if she wasn't a decent-looking girl (a 5 or 6 out of 10 on the hotness factor, AT BEST), you wouldn't even be on her side. You wouldn't come riding in on your "noble steed" and become her "prince charming." News flash - you're not getting into her panties that way, Mr. Wussy Boy.

Mabait pa nga ako eh. Pasalamat sya duduraan ko lang sya pag nagkita man kami. Imagine what I'd do if she was a guy.

kinsa said...

Bambee pasensya na!

You know arrogance breeds. The Pangandamans used libel case in their home turf to shut the truth. His PR writer and director Paul Farol likewise arrogantly tell me to shut up. (smile) And John, a Pangandaman troll can easily spit on you.

The truth hurts and their pains are displayed by way of arrogance.

John said...

@kinsa

at what point did I say in any of my posts that I was on the Pangandaman's side?

Just to refresh your memory, I posted the following:

[i]"Pareho kayong may mali, kaya please lang, wag naman kayo magmalinis"

"Let's set this straight everyone. Wala akong kinakampihan. It's all about fairness."

"And while I do believe that the pangandamans deserve punishment from the justice system, I also believe that the dela paz family had it coming."

"Both sides are just plain idiots for letting bravado and short tempers get the best of them."

"I'm not saying that the pangandamans don't deserve to go to jail. My point was all this praise, all the kind words and all the sympathy people are giving the dela paz family are totally undeserved on their part."

"Basta ang akin lang naman, kung me kelangan malagot, dapat pareho malagot dahil pareho nadala ng init ng ulo at gumawa ng kalokohan."[/i]

As seen above, I've said that BOTH parties should be held liable for the incident. Or were you too busy trying to suck up to Bambee in the hopes that you'd get to do dirty little things to her?

I guess you're just THAT desperate...

kinsa said...

re: "she deserves to be spat on." - John

re: "you're not getting into her panties" -John

re: "Pasalamat sya duduraan ko lang sya pag nagkita man kami. Imagine what I'd do if she was a guy." -John

John, you don't have to advertise yourself. Too much porn and violence have degraded your brain. If you feel you like to shoot, come to mommy. That will calm you down, boy.

John said...

@kinsa

how convenient. You quote things from my post and put them way out of context, all the while avoiding my points because - I'm speculating here - you can't seem to refute any of them. [sarcasm]Way to go on your debating skills [/sarcasm]

It still won't earn you brownie points from bambee though, wussy boy.

kinsa said...

re: "Were you too busy trying to suck up to Bambee in the hopes that you'd get to do dirty little things to her?" -John.

re: "It's final, John and I are right. -Paul

John, you have so much wild fantasy. You and Paul Farol are definitely right for each other. LOL.

John said...

@kinsa

and yet again, you seem to conveniently ignore the main points of my post.

wow... you're already showing signs of your own incompetence. that was fast.

kinsa said...

John, I got your points. Not only that you condone violence, you want to punish the mauling victims -old man and a kid. There is nothing to refute. Your wild fantasies are hardly a debating skill.

John said...

and yet, kinsa, you seem to have missed all of my points.

when I said that BOTH parties were liable, what do you think that meant?

when I likened the "old man and kid" to a child playing with matches, how did that show I condoned violence?

and when do people who end up getting beat up AFTER INSTIGATING A FIGHT deserve any sympathy?

no wonder you wouldn't refute any of my points. You didn't even get any of them. That shows what, exactly?

kinsa said...

re: "and yet again, you seem to conveniently ignore the main points of my post" - John

Which you repeat like a broken record - okay to maul an old man and a kid, plus punish them.

How dense can you be that decent people cannot agree with your violent tendencies. Wake up!

kinsa said...

re: "no wonder you wouldn't refute any of my points. You didn't even get any of them." - John

If you feel frustrated, just know it is okay to cry. Hehe

John said...

@kinsa

your attempts are getting kinda pathetic, you know.

again, you quote statements WAAAY out of context.

"no wonder you wouldn't refute any of my points. You didn't even get any of them. That shows what, exactly?"

I'll tell you. It shows, exactly, that you're incompetent.

"re: "and yet again, you seem to conveniently ignore the main points of my post" - John"

where's the rest of it? which just proved you ignored it...

"Which you repeat like a broken record - okay to maul an old man and a kid, plus punish them."

Please do tell where I specifically stated that it's ok to maul and old man and a kid. My exact statement was that both parties are liable for the incident because they let bravado and tempers get the best of them.

"How dense can you be that decent people cannot agree with your violent tendencies. Wake up!"

It's you who should wake up. You've been played like a bongo. Both of them should pay the consequences for this incident. The one who started it got beat up, but that's hardly punishment for trying to act big and treating other golfers in that country club like shit, is it?

John said...

For the benefit of the people who can't seem to believe that they've been played as fools, Let me tell you an old fable:

Once upon a time there was a little boy who loved picking fights in school because he believed he was superior to all other little children. One day, he picked a fight with another little boy. The second little boy fought back and beat the crap out of the first little boy, but used excessive violence in doing so. The first little boy then went crying to his homeroom teacher telling her that he got beat up by the second little boy, all the while not mentioning the fact that he started the fight. He drew sympathy from that teacher and the teacher was about to punish the second little boy when the Principal walked in and asked what had happened. Both sides told their story, and upon further investigation by the principal he found out the whole truth. He then punished both little boys for fighting in school.

For anyone who was too dense to understand the fable, little boy A is the Dela Paz family. Little boy B is the Pangandaman family. The Teacher is someone gullible enough to believe little boy A (i.e. kinsa and the like), and the Principal is the country club board.

Now, I ask you, was the principal at fault for punishing both little boys?

kinsa said...

re: "Both of them should pay the consequences for this incident. The one who started it got beat up, but that's hardly punishment for trying to act big and treating other golfers in that country club like shit" - John

You readily accept the mayor's account who ignored the permission rule. The permission rule is created for good reason to avoid conflict. Hence, the mayor instigated the mauling.

John said...

@kinsa

so sinasabi mo mas marunong ka pa sa country club board, who conducted a full investigation based on eyewitness testimony from both those who were involved and those who weren't involved in the incident, and found that the delapaz patriarch instigated the first violent action against the Pangandamans?

Hindi DOJ nagsabi nyan. Yung Country Club nagsabi nyan. Now, I ask again, why in hell don't the delapaz's deserve punishment as the Pangandamans do? Di ba pag ang dalawang tao nagsuntukan sa bar pareho cla kinakaladkad ng bouncer palabas? What makes this any different? Just because their social statuses are different?

Social status is irrelevant. If you did something wrong, you pay for it, even if you're already battered and bruised before you're made to pay.

kinsa said...

re: "Once upon a time there was a little boy who loved picking fights in school because he believed he was superior to all other little children." - John

John, your fable is riddled with lies because of wrong assumption. There is no account that the old man loved picking fights nor was there any prior incidents to that effect regarding the elder Dela Paz.

Your conclusion is skewed because of distorted premise.

John said...

@kinsa

well duh! kaya nga sya "fable" di ba?

It's there to drive a point. The point was you are as gullible as that teacher who only heard one side of the story. And when the whole story FROM THE COUNTRY CLUB was posted, you choose to conveniently ignore the whole truth and keep insisting that ONLY the Pangandamans deserve punishment, when the umbrella in question that started the whole brawl was in the hands of the Dela Paz patriarch.

John said...

the problem with people like kinsa is that their own biases blind them from other facts in the case.

It's tempting I know to keep believing that our government is evil and that people in it abuse their power. But is it really farfetched to say that regular people like the dela paz family are not capable of such "evil" tendencies as well?

Based on the account released by the country club, the umbrella poking started the brawl. There would be no brawl without that singular cause. And as their account clearly states, the umbrella was in the hands of the dela paz patriarch - the beaten-up old man who was trying to win the people's sympathy.

Now, is it fair that the side who left relatively unscathed be the only ones liable for this brawl, knowing full well that the beaten-up side began physical hostilities?

Now why in hell, again, do these violent, umbrella-wielding, ego-tripping assholes deserve any of our sympathy?

kinsa said...

re: "Now, I ask again, why in hell don't the delapaz's deserve punishment as the Pangandamans do?"

In simple language, the Mayor, his brother and 5 fully armed bodyguards inflicted harm on the old man and his kid and could have possibly killed them if not for the presence of witnesses, kaya pinaalis na lang ni cabinet sekretary.

re: "Di ba pag ang dalawang tao nagsuntukan sa bar pareho cla kinakaladkad ng bouncer palabas?" -John.

The Golf security personnel were inherently afraid of the 5 fully armed bodyguards. In fact, they can only stopped for their safety the wife and the other son coming to aid, but not the mauling.

John said...

@kinsa

coulda, woulda, shoulda. Fact is, excessive force as it may, they did not start physical hostilities. The ones that did are as guilty as the Pangandamans.

Your logic is like this: A person punches you in the face, pokes you with an umbrella in the gut, or whatever, and you almost killed him in retaliation. You're basically saying that you're the only one who deserves to be punished, when in fact both of you deserve punishment.

kinsa said...

re: "The point was you are as gullible as that teacher who only heard one side of the story."- John

The fact remains that you invent a story that elder Dela Paz "loved picking fights".

kinsa said...

re: "A person punches you in the face, pokes you with an umbrella in the gut" - John.

That account is highly questionable especially coming from the Pangandaman. An old man daring a mayor, his brother and 5 fully armed bodyguards.

John said...

@kinsa

you keep insisting that it came from the Pangandamans, when that account came from the Country Club. How many times do you need to hear it?

Sa tingin mo ba ang kuniha lang na panig ng Country Club eh yung sa mga Pangandaman? They used eyewitness testimony from both sides of the brawl, including eyewitnesses who weren't involved in the brawl.

You keep insisting that that account came from the government. You are so blinded by your prejudice that you choose to ignore unbiased accounts and shrugging it off as being a work of spin doctors when all that needs to happen is for you to wake up from your delusion that the Filipino commoner is infallible.

John said...

Here is an exerpt from the statement released by the Country Club

"...Delapaz closed his umbrella and then poked the mayor on his stomach using the pointed end ( some caddies say Dela Paz swung the umbrella and some say that he poked the Mayor) The investigative board asked Dela Paz what he did, he said that he poked the Mayor in self defense. When asked who was attacking him, Dela Paz said that he was being surrounded by 4 men. The caddies and other witnesses on hand said that when the umbrella incident happened, it was only Dela Paz and the mayor that were talking."

I quoted this here to show that the investigative board asked ALL parties what had happened, which should put to rest the claim that the account was purely the work of spin doctors. To read the whole statement, look at Menyak's post. Be prepared for a long read though.

kinsa said...

re: "But is it really farfetched to say that regular people like the dela paz family are not capable of such "evil" tendencies as well?"- John

You should put yourself facing a mayor, his brother and 5 fully armed bodyguards and see if you can act your evil tendencies.

John said...

@kinsa

apparently, the Dela Paz family did by striking the first blow, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTRY CLUB INVESTIGATORY BOARD

kinsa said...

re: "Here is an exerpt from the statement released by the Country Club" -John

The country club is not a court of justice. Its reach is limited and easily influenced by powerful club members.

kinsa said...

re: "apparently, the Dela Paz family did by striking the first blow, ACCORDING TO THE COUNTRY CLUB INVESTIGATORY BOARD"

The board is not an expert witness. Its statement is just another hearsay evidence in court.

John said...

@kinsa

why is it that, in the face of unbiased, overwhelming facts, you cling to your delusions that the dela paz family are victims?

You keep insisting that the whole umbrella poking thing came from the mouth of the Pangandaman, when in fact many eyewitnesses confirmed it - caddies who have no affiliation with any group. So are you saying that what they saw was an illusion?

You keep insisting that the Country Club's account is just hearsay, but eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. Kaya nga sya EYEwitness. Ibig sabihin NAKITA. Duh! So what makes their statement any less valid than Bambee's, whose account is self-serving?

And why is it that you assume that the country club is easily swayed only by those against the Dela Paz's? Bakit, sa tingin mo ba hindi din kaya ng Dela Paz na igoyo yung board na kumampi sa kanila? Do you even have proof, or are you still clinging to your fairy tale?

Why don't you just admit you've been fooled by the harlot we know as Bambee Dela Paz?

John said...

@kinsa
Oh, and Expert Testimony, by definition, comes from an EXPERT. None of the testimonies given by any side count as coming from an EXPERT, despite how big their ego may be.

Pag sinabi mong EXPERT testimony, ibig sabihin galing sa doctor, sa scientist, sa engineer, etc. Set your facts straight before you start using words too big for you.

Dave said...

@ Evangelo and John:

EVEN if Mr Dela Paz is arrogant, and EVEN if the 14 year old kid did indeed take a swing at the Mayor with his golf club, THAT STILL DOES NOT make the Pangandaman's use of excessive force excusable. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES does it become excusable for armed and trained bodyguards to beat up a 14 year old kid. Everyone knows that money talks and bullshit walks.

REGARDLESS of who started it all, it still does not excuse the Pangangdaman's use of force, their bodyguards bringing firearms into a place where firearms were restricted.

In any situation, 5-6 people against 2 is far from fair, ESPECIALLY when one of the is a kid.

You're missing the point you retards! Evangelo, John, you both sound like spin doctors. How much did they pay you to try and vilify the Dela Paz' family? A fancy car? A house and lot? Or are you just plain lapdogs following the pigs around blindly hoping for scraps from their table of sh*t?

It is NO BIG SECRET that money can bend the truth, ALL THAT you, John and Evangelo, are saying is a good example of this.

Dave said...

As posted by "John":

"Sisiga-siga yung pamilya nya sa ibang tao sa country club, pero pag naharap sila sa palaban, sila pa ngayon ang "kawawa"?"

If that is true, why haven't the other Valley Golf members who've been treated poorly by the Dela Paz family come forward and spoken up?

If such is the case, why would Valley Golf Board members have waited years for something like that to get out of hand?

In any event, like what so many other people have been saying...

The fact that the DAR secretary and the Mayor are Civil Servants (The job title alone says enough) Their job is to serve the public, set good moral examples and so on.

IN addition to that, their bodyguards ARE NOT supposed to go on the offensive. Their job is to protect whoever hired them, correct? That would mean that, if they are such upstanding and decent people, what they SHOULD have done is to simply keep the Mayor and Secretary safe, by keeping Mr. Dela Paz and his 14 year old son away from the Sec and Mayor. AT MOST, disarm and subdue them, while the Mayor and Secretary could distance themselves from the aggressors.

If what John is saying is true and that the 14 year old actually attacked the Mayor with a golf club, despite the presence of armed bodyguards, I say "that kid's got balls!"

As for the full grown man who needs bodyguards to fend off a kid that age, frankly, THAT IS JUST PATHETIC. If I got beat up by a 14 year old kid, I'd be quite embarrassed. Golf club or not.

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The fact that the Pangandamans are government officials changes things, see, as such, they are supposed to use restraint in such situations as this Vally Golf fiasco.

Where was the so called restraint in this instance? *cough* I rest my case.

kinsa said...

re: "why is it that, in the face of unbiased, overwhelming facts, you cling to your delusions that the dela paz family are victims?" -John

You mean after the old man and the poor kid were not victims after mauled by the arrogant mayor, his brother and 5 fully armed bodyguards. You speak of your own delusions, please don't rub it around like you can spit on an 18 yr old girl.

John said...

@Dave

I know it's not excusable. Kaya nga paulit-ulit ko pa sinabi na pareho silang dapat malagot. If you did read my posts, you would see that statement made many, many times. Ano yan, selective blindness, or naghahanap ka lang ng mapipintas?

And on the subject of pintas:

"If that is true, why haven't the other Valley Golf members who've been treated poorly by the Dela Paz family come forward and spoken up?"

Kung may kilala ka bang kupal (to quote the vernacular), papatol ka ba in front of your respected colleagues? Binaba mo lang sarili mo kung ganon. And there is no law that prohibits a man from being an ass to your fellow man, so no way they can go to the board.

Besides, you know how the upper class are. They're ones to turn the other cheek, and become the better man. Apparently, that wasn't the case for the Dela Paz patriarch, who instigated another brawl in the clubhouse after the incident in the golf course.

"If such is the case, why would Valley Golf Board members have waited years for something like that to get out of hand?"

Because, unfortunately, no court of law, no club charter has any provisions on punishing someone for being an asshole. They have to do something which is actually against the rules, i.e. the melee.

Ika nga nila, hindsight is 20/20. Madali sabihin na it could have been prevented, but no one expected it to happen

John said...

@kinsa

and yet again, you ignore the facts, make some absurd claim that you can't even support with evidence like the country club investigatory board has, and throw around derogatories as a sign of your denial.

This is getting old. Seriously. Don't make me repeat the facts for you again.

Oh, and did you also know that your beloved Bambee was involved in the melee? Apparently the bodyguards had scratch marks on their face. I seriously doubt a guy did that.

How's that for a "helpless victim"? She's putting on a much bigger facade than you'd ever admit to.

kinsa said...

re: "You keep insisting that the whole umbrella poking thing came from the mouth of the Pangandaman, when in fact many eyewitnesses confirmed it - caddies who have no affiliation with any group. So are you saying that what they saw was an illusion?" - John

Cadies protect their own livelihood as independent contractor and would not give unfavorable statement to their benefactor golf club against the most influential member of the club.

John said...

@kinsa

wow... you really are a dela paz fanboy, aren't you?

Gumawa ka na kaya ng altar sa bahay mo at sambahin mo na sila parang diyos. Tutal, infallible naman sila kung ikaw lang naman tatanungin di ba?

A hundred bucks says you'd "conveniently" quote this particular post out of context as you have done so many times now...

kinsa said...

re: "You keep insisting that the Country Club's account is just hearsay, but eyewitness testimony is NOT hearsay. Kaya nga sya EYEwitness. Ibig sabihin NAKITA. Duh! So what makes their statement any less valid than Bambee's, whose account is self-serving?" - John.

If you have time and patience, check it out with your local court so you can understand that the Golf Club statement is just another hearsay in court. Paul Farol can even help you on this.

Cadies accounts were made several days after the mauling and can change for personal reasons. The 18 yr old account was made spontaneously, huge difference.

John said...

@kinsa

yeah huge difference. You fail to mention, though, that the biggest difference of all is that Bambee's account has a much more probable and realistic motive to contain so much distorted truths and half-lies.

Motive lang ang usapan. Medyo suntok sa buwan mga motives na pinaparating mo. Motives ni Bambee para magsinungaling? I can name a few:

1. Money (for "reparations" kuno)
2. Saving face (ayaw nyang magmukhang wimp tatay nya)
3. Making a media circus out of an issue that she knows she can't have a favorable verdict in court (and when I say favorable, yung hindi din paparusahan yung tatay nyang basagulero)

I'm speculating here, I know, but these make a lot more sense than the things you pulled out your ass.

kinsa said...

re: "And why is it that you assume that the country club is easily swayed only by those against the Dela Paz's? Bakit, sa tingin mo ba hindi din kaya ng Dela Paz na igoyo yung board na kumampi sa kanila? Do you even have proof, or are you still clinging to your fairy tale?" -John

Political power, connections and influence are weapons which Pangandamans have and Dela Paz don't have.

John said...

@Dela Paz fanboy

Power, connections and influence can be translated into one thing in this country - money. Sa tingin mo ba walang pera ang mga Dela Paz? Bakit, sino ba sa tingin mo naglalaro ng golf sa pilipinas?

kinsa said...

re: "Why don't you just admit you've been fooled by the harlot we know as Bambee Dela Paz? - John

John, no thanks to your high sounding "harlot" fantasy of an 18 yr old girl. So much of your porn fried brain. Hehe.

John said...

@Dela Paz fanboy

wow... way to take the word "harlot" literally... hell, I'm even surprised you even know the meaning of the word.

I won't bother explaining to you what it's supposed to mean. It'll probably go "WOOOSH!" through your head anyway

kinsa said...

re: "Power, connections and influence can be translated into one thing in this country - money. Sa tingin mo ba walang pera ang mga Dela Paz?" - John.

Nice John for omitting political and quickly jump into money. You can do better than that. Hehe.

You want to twist that the old man and the kid are not victims of mauling and that the 18 yr old daughter is a harlot. At best you manage to show how ridiculous your claims and sexual fantasy.

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